Guys,

Who would be a good smith to talk to about adding a Sako or AR extractor to a 700 bolt?

THX

Mark

jamie dodson at wolf precession in Johnstown, pa

Me!, I've done a bunch, what caliber

Jkob60@msn.com

Jim

Why?


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Why? Because they are vastly more reliable than the flimsy factory C type, (in the minds of some people, Not the US Army, who finds the factory one works fine in combat).
Not to mention the cut you make in the bolt face de-activates the "3 rings of steel" safety factor that M700s have, and which does work as advertised.
You still have a push feed, which we all know is a recipe for disaster for some people. The ones who forget that all current automatic weapons are push feed. (Not the Browning M2 .50 cal).
I have installed quite a few, just because people wanted them, but I would not take work away from Mr Kobe.

Marketing drives everything.

It's easier, faster and saves money to sell the rifle as is and buy a better design now.

That rifle also lacks a decent three position safety that holds the firing pin, CRF and it looks cheap as a never ending ugly.

Thanks guys but I think I'm just going to buy a new aftermarket bolt with the bolt body and handle all made from one piece steel plus a larger bolt knob. BTW I've probably owned 25 Remington 700's and this extractor is the only mechanical issue I've ever had with one.

Mark

Ah. Remington circumcision

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Originally posted by Savage_99:
It's easier, faster and saves money to sell the rifle as is and buy a better design now.

That rifle also lacks a decent three position safety that holds the firing pin, CRF and it looks cheap as a never ending ugly.

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Originally posted by dpcd:
Why? Because they are vastly more reliable than the flimsy factory C type, (in the minds of some people, Not the US Army, who finds the factory one works fine in combat).
Not to mention the cut you make in the bolt face de-activates the "3 rings of steel" safety factor that M700s have, and which does work as advertised.
You still have a push feed, which we all know is a recipe for disaster for some people. The ones who forget that all current automatic weapons are push feed. (Not the Browning M2 .50 cal).
I have installed quite a few, just because people wanted them, but I would not take work away from Mr Kobe.

The reason for CRF is to reduce the chances of a feeding jam in manually bolt action rifles. The auto rifles don't operate that way!

Feed jam in a bolt action rifle:

Yes, I am well acquainted with how CRF and push feeds work, and the potential issues with them. CRF is for people who do not know how to operate a push feed correctly, ie. don't short stroke it and try to feed another round. Or under duress, cycle the bolt again before locking it down on the first round.
I do prefer CRFs though.
Actually, auto rifles do, indeed, work that way; that is why M16s have the forward assist; to make sure the bolt is closed on the round before you retract the bolt, in case of a problem. Soldiers are taught to tap the forward assist before touching the charging handle.
There are also those who believe the forward assist only serves to compound a problem.
My point was, that when designing the bolt action sniper rifles,, the Army did not think a CRF was an important design feature.

quote:

Originally posted by dpcd:
Why? Because they are vastly more reliable than the flimsy factory C type, (in the minds of some people, Not the US Army, who finds the factory one works fine in combat).
Not to mention the cut you make in the bolt face de-activates the "3 rings of steel" safety factor that M700s have, and which does work as advertised.
You still have a push feed, which we all know is a recipe for disaster for some people. The ones who forget that all current automatic weapons are push feed. (Not the Browning M2 .50 cal).
I have installed quite a few, just because people wanted them, but I would not take work away from Mr Kobe.

Yessir...... I know all of that!

I have shot thousands of rounds out of 700s nad broke exactly I extractor a $1.50 part that took 20 minutes to replace.

I have had a bunch of trouble with Mausers and extractors. The Remington extractor thingy is a myth!

The bolt handle comming off? Never once seen it, not once, ever.


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Remingtons aren't the only company with brazing issues. I sent back two brand new Benellis (an M2 and a SBEII) and a Browning BPS this year where the brazed-on barrel ring failed. In the case of the Benellis, the barrel departed the gun.

I also think the Remington extractor thing is way overblown. If it sucked as bad as some say it would have been gone long ago. How long have they used it - 64 years? I seem to remember it was introduced in 1948 with the 720.

I haven't had a problem with the Remington extractor but, someday, the one in my 60+ year old Mod 721 may give up and there are no replacements. Then I'll have to get the Sako or AR mod whether I want it or not. Sure wish I could find a spare extractor to squirrel away.

Jerry Liles

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Originally posted by Jerry Liles:
I haven't had a problem with the Remington extractor but, someday, the one in my 60+ year old Mod 721 may give up and there are no replacements. Then I'll have to get the Sako or AR mod whether I want it or not. Sure wish I could find a spare extractor to squirrel away.

Jerry Liles

I haven't tried one myself, so someone correct me if I'm wrong, but won't the rivited extractor Brownells makes/sells work in the 721?

My understanding was that the rivited extractor would not work in a 721. I'd love to be wrong though.

Jerry LIles