Anyone have any first hand knowledge of Rimrock stocks ??? Of course veryone says their stocks are as good or better than McMillans. I am trying to get around the 4+ month wait for a stock. Borden says half that time, which would get the project rifle up and running towards the end of this season. Good, Bad or Other ???

Jesse-

While I have no first-hand experience with them, like you said, I've heard nothing but good about them.

As for comparing to McMillans, I don't know why everyone does that. Yeah, they're a good stock, but IMHO, not the only high quality stock out there. They are expensive, take a long time if you're not buying "off-the-shelf", and their customer service is spotty at best. I have one on a long-range match rifle, and while it does that job very well, it was almost cancelled over some customer service issues, miscues, etc.

I've been wanting to try a Rimrock for a while, so if you end up with one, let us know what you think.

The Borden stock used to be known as a Pacific Research stock. It was built in a shop on Vashon Island, WA before the Borden folks bought the company. I remember reading a Finn Aagaard article about a rifle he had that was in one of these stocks. He liked it, especially the fit. The stock was designed by Jim Cloward of Seattle, who has since moved to Lake Stevens, WA. He still uses the stocks, so I guess he's happy with how the new owners build them. I do know that he has to deal with the same wait as the rest of us.

Cloward prefers to work with M-70's, and since he designed the stock I'd bet he had that rifle in mind when he laid it out. In my opinion, there are a lot of beautiful stocks on the market, but the M-70 really looks at home in that stock.

I have a pre-64 M-70 FWT in 308 that Cloward bedded into one of them, and in a couple of weeks, I'll pick up the 35 Whelen that he's building for me as a mate to it. I have worked with rifles in synthetic stocks built by HS Precision (35 Whelen), Bell & Carlson (30-06), Remington (M-7/308) and Ruger (35 Whelen). That's a small sample, but I prefer the Borden. It seems as servicable as the HS, B&C or Ruger. It's also light and the molded-in checkering is perfectly executed.

Yeah, the wait is a drag. The metalwork for my 35 Whelen was done a month ago, but we're waiting for the stock. Anyway, that's part of the custom-rifle deal. I hope this answers your questions. If not, post back and let me know. Okie John.

I guess it's irony. I'd never heard of this Cloward kat, until last month. I now live up on the US/B.C. border. Met a guy at the range with an open class Cloward rifle. Went to another range and talked to some guys that know Cloward. Asked about any 500 yard ranges, and Cloward comes up again. I figured he's just another guy that builds guns. I guess the guy that runs the public range I was shooting at seems to be the US International Palma coach and shoots with Cloward. Looking for stocks and Cloward appears again.

Anyhow, got off line intel otherwise about these stocks and the Borden reputation, now I am up in the air. At 32, I am old enough to know better, but still young enough to not listen. No patience to wait a half a year for a gun, but know McMillan is a sure thing. I have however been put off by their customer service, and after voicing my opionion about it here, got hammered by personal McMillan friends.

I will have to think about it. They are only ( right ONLY ) $395 finished and ready to go. Turn around of 6 weeks, same as the barrel on order. Would have all of my goodies in need of assembly at about the same time. We'll see. I guess it may warrant a second call to the Co. and inquiry into their guarantees, and quotes.

i have 4-2 m70's & 2 m700's..they are much better stocks than mcmillian but i like brown precision better..by the way if you send them a t shirt they use it as the outter layer of the stock so you can have any camo or decoration you want

I have 2 of the Pacific Research made Rimrock stocks and currently have a custom G33/40 barreled action at Borden Rifles being fitted for one of their Rimrock stocks. I talked with Jim Borden today and the completed stock and action will be back to me next week. Sent them the action on May 11th so the turnaround will be about 8 weeks. However, this is a custom fit and they orginally had quoted me 10 weeks delivery. I have seen many examples of their stock work and cannot find any fault with it. It handles recoil extremely well and is very functional. I also have stocks by H-S Precision and McMillan. To me, only stock that handles recoil as well as the Rimrock is the McMillan Sako style stock. I don't think you will be disappointed with a Rimrock.

Now that I think about it, JJ HACK has Pacific Research stocks on his 30-06 and his 375. You might post your question on the African Hunting board. If he's in town, he'll probably get back to you quickly. Hope this helps, Okie John.

Have you looked at the McMillan internet page? They usually have a very good variety of stocks available for immediate sales ...and ....they are priced right.

I believe they have them on hand because people got tired of waiting and cancelled their orders.

I have a Rimrock on my 7X64 M70 and it is a handsome stock. The inletting is perfect I just bedded it to get a real good fit. I had to extend the LOP a bit with some glass. It is a real pity I stuffed up the painting with a black two part epoxy paint which filled up the checkering.

The rifle shoots sub MOA I can't ask more than that.

Cheers

Pete

I have used a number of Jim's stocks. In a word: GREAT.

One thing you may want to try, either order the correct length of pull right away or order the stock as a blank with no pad added. Send it back later when you have done all the bedding work to have it painted.

I like these stocks very much myself. The shape is just about perfect for a hunting rifle, and is of the true American Classic school.

For best results, I would indeed buy just the blank, have a professional riflesmith do the fitting and bedding plus attach the pad, then have it sent back to Borden for painting. I had Tom Novotney here in Oregon fit a Borden (then Pacific Research) blank to a factory-original Model 70 stainless action in .300 Win. Mag., then had PR paint it. The results were wonderfully clean, with no bedding showing whatsoever, and the fit was fantastic.

Just so you know, Jim Cloward is one of the finest custom Model 70 builders in the country, and he knows that action inside and out, and can get the most out of it. He's also an accomplished rifleman who use a custom Model 70 .300 Win. Mag. of his own creation to win the prestigious 1,000 Wimbleton championship at Camp Perry in 1976. So you can bet that he knows how to walk the walk.......

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