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I was wondering what one would look for in determining weather or not a smith did a good job on a typical rebarrel job for instance, westpac pointed out that the crown needs to be cut strait and the edge of the chamber needs to be slighly lapped or chamfered ever so slightly so your brass is not scratched, last time I stopped by his place, what else is there to look for?? in times when one needs a rifle, he tends to need it very badly.....PHC | ||
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Look to see how well the cartridge is stamped on the barrel.....it really don't have much to do with accuracy but it's a little thing that tells you that the smith is fussy about what he does. /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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Noting the precision of the machine work and the degree of finish to both ends of the barrel is a good place to start. Nothing worse than having the entrance and exit all screwed up.  _______________________________________________________________________________ This is my rifle, there are many like it but this one is mine. My rifle is my best friend, it is my life. | |||
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What really matters is the thread fit, the chamber wall condition, chamber runout, how centered the throat is in the bore, what bullet the throat was actually cut for, the crown, how the front of the reciever ring was handled, how the lugs seats are handled, how the bolt face is handled, and the exterior treatment of the barrel and action. I see people promote companies that barrel an action for ~$100 and claim it is just as good as any other barreling job. It is not. If they are happy with that kind of work, then fine, but don't tell me it is the same as some one addresses all of the points above. Malm, I have very good friends with all kinds of different lifestyles. But please, please, I beg of you, don't give us any more details on how your exit end gets screwed!  | |||
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Mark, I'd watch it before Malm decides your exit needs recrowning, he is a Marine ya kow!  | |||
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That's right and when we have to recrown that end, we use a boot. Probably not quite a precise as using a pocket knife or neck chamfering tool, butt, sufficient! _______________________________________________________________________________ This is my rifle, there are many like it but this one is mine. My rifle is my best friend, it is my life. | |||
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ALl I can ask is to please have the courtesy to liberally apply RIG and BreakFree to your boot before the crowning procedure. | |||
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This guy seems to know what he is doing. He probably goes beyond what most smiths will do Some of the guys here seem to be as knowledgable they just don't write it down as well as Bryant. Bryant | |||
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It would be very difficult for the average guy to notice the stuff that really makes a difference in performance. The end results are what count. How does it look? Is it pleasing to the eye? Do the rounds fit OK? This stuff is cosmetic but as far as the chambering and fitting of the barrel, would the client pull the barrel to see how everything is fitted or finished? Would he make a chamber cast? I guess what really means something to me is how the client feels about my work when he has had it for a while. If he is satisfied, that is what counts. I usually don't get enough feedback to satisfy me; if I screw up I hear about it but mostly I never hear how a job goes. Makes me wonder sometime if the guy is pissed at me or extremely satisfied. The only way I know for sure is if I ask him or if he comes back later with another job. Jim Kobe 10841 Oxborough Ave So Bloomington MN 55437 952.884.6031 Professional member American Custom Gunmakers Guild | |||
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I have a friend who is a guild smith. A while back he was running 2-3yrs behind and referred me to an aquaintance of his to perform some machine work on one of my rifles. His aquaintance is not a guild smith but his rifle set a national record in competition and his work is well regarded by other smiths. Not long ago my guild smith friend took this rifle into his shop for some additional work and he inspected the work performed by his aquaintance. Even though the rifle performed perfectly from the previous work, the machining techniques and appearance did not meet the guild smiths standards. He ended up redoing everything from scratch to meet those standards. Performance is still stellar, but the quality and detail of the work is indeed in the eye of the beholder. GVA | |||
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one thing you could check would be whether the smith uses a whitworth thread or a v thread when barreling a mauser. the receivers are whitworth threads but many smiths cuts the corners and use a v thread on the barrel. another is bolt handles. look to see how the root area of the bolt handle is done and whether that area is spotted in to the mating surface on the receiver when the smith cuts the mortise for the bolt to sit in. as mentioned, whether the scope holes line up and whether they are on center. whether the bottom of the reciever has been stoned or filed perfectly flat whether there was a check made to see if the threads in the receiver are concentric with the receiver itself. sometimes you can get a crooked receiver! | |||
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1/ ... 2/ ... 3/ ...........4. Good work you gotta pay for. (Unless youve got an eccentric smith whose very wealthy and just wants to build fine rifles as hobby/no profit) Although outside finish is not guarantee of whats going on inside, I agree with Vapodog that is often indication of how asmith takes pride in his work. A Fine/meticulous barrel job by the right man(whos also trying to make a living) is in the vacinity of $350. Very enthusiastic smiths&customers who go to such lengths, also like to see the rest of the rifle in the same quality.ie; -Whole receiver trued,square,concentric, -custom bases with full contact to receiver&machined fit custom made screws.(about $8oo all up) -Fully trued&tuned rings.(true&tune alone could be $2oo+) Im not saying you wont get a dandy barrel job for less. BUT I dont want to gamble too much any more. I'll just send the right barrel to the right person and pay him the fair right amount for todays living costs. The quality is appreciated,remembered and enjoyed long after the price is forgotten. | |||
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Woodjack who did that beautiful work on your Mauser? | |||
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This is true but not many customers have a barrel vice to remove the barrel to inspect it and then since the difference is 5 degrees, not many cistomers can measure it anyway! Further.....not many customers want to remove the barrel if it's shooting good! /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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I agree....it's truly beautiful! /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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Get a friend to ring and ask if they will chamber a stainless LW or a Chrome moly Border They both hard enough to cause accelerated wear on reamers. | |||
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