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I have finally gotten around to doing something W/1 of the Vz500 Intermediate length LR M98 actions I bought on here several years ago.  I am going to intal a exceptionally good M98K take off barrel that has had the rear sight parallel section blended in and a flat recessed crown.  This barrel, although it has been on an action as evidenced by the bluing @ the "C" ring, has no seriel #s or markings of any kind except for a small witness mark. It has the best looking rifling I have ever seen bar none. No tool marks are visable in the grooves & the chamber has a high polish. I wonder if this as some sort of "special" service barrel?  Any way this is how the barreled action looks.  This is the stock I plan to use.  I am not completely sold on the raised flats on the sides of the stock. I plan to make a somewhat historicly correct Obendorf style rifle. Would it be correct as far as authenticity, to remove the flats? Also would it be more appropriate to instal a steel buttplate? Would 8x57 W/full power 2600fps 200 gr loads be a bit much for a light rifle W/a steel buttplate? This rifle is for my 17 year old son and will be his 1st rifle. He has killed 2 Whitetails W/a M700 Mountain Rifle in 7mm-08 that is loaded to about 2900fps W/140gr Nosler BTs. 180gr 8mm BTs @ 2800FPS and 200gr Partitions @ 2600fps will be quite a jump in recoil. Would it be sacrelige to install a Limbsaver grind to fit recoil pad on this gem? GOOGLE HOTLINK FIX FOR BLOCKED PHOTOBUCKET IMAGES https://chrome.google.com/webs...inkfix=1516144253810 | ||
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I have never heard of a VZ500 action. Tell me more about it. Is there a marking that says VZ500. The only VZ I have ever heard of is the VZ24 and the VZ33 | |||
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There are no markings other than "Yugoslavia" stamped on the bottom of the reciever.  It is the commecial equvilant to the M48 Yugo. Manhasset e-mailed me some advertizing literature circa mid "60" on the "New Vz500 action" Word is that Herters imported a bunch of these @ about that time frame. The actions have never been barreled and have no seriel #s. Only engraved "marching" #s to keep bolts @ receivers matched during the manufacturing process. They are classic European W/butterknife bolt handles and lever floorplate releases.  They have Mark II safties and are drilled & tapped for scope bases.  The single stage trigger breaks cleanly @ 4 1/2#. Some stone work on the sear/striker should bring that down to 3#ish. GOOGLE HOTLINK FIX FOR BLOCKED PHOTOBUCKET IMAGES https://chrome.google.com/webs...inkfix=1516144253810 | |||
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I like that action with the bolt handle and lever release. Do you know if there are any more around? WOuld be really cool with DST's. I like the flats if the stock is done correctly. Be sure to whittle the wood down to almost nothing around the reinforcing ovals. Many people leave too much wood on a stock and this is doubly so on German styled stocks. Make it very slim and trim. Steel butplate would not be too brutal on this rifle, but go with a pad if you prefer it. | |||
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I bought 2 of them from a guy in Idaho a few years back. $135 each. He posted a thread asking what they were. Manhasset bought some too. This guy was selling off a bunch of stuff for a friend, a divorce or some such thing. I will do a search and see what I can find out. GOOGLE HOTLINK FIX FOR BLOCKED PHOTOBUCKET IMAGES https://chrome.google.com/webs...inkfix=1516144253810 | |||
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side panels would not be correct on an original oberndorf but it is distinctive to other german rifles,kettner,j.p.sauer,shuler.etc.an easy to build gun would be the early oberndorf types without grip caps some had no checkering in the forend but a raised portion just behind the trigger guard that curved up to the rear of the action get speeds book it will be easy...paul | |||
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Ahhhh... the old "GOING OUT OF MARRIAGE SALE!" It has humbled many a mighty man Paul- You are right about the Oberndorf plant rifles. I guess I was referring to German rifles in general. Was kinda figuring Wildcat was just looking for basically a period-correct style and not an exact replica. Pretty sure no limbsavers were put on a real Mauser  . I have seen pictures of a few Oberndorf Mausers with side panels, but only a handful. The Model C I think it was called did have a sort of "half side panel" look to it, but I really do not like the lines of those rifles. | |||
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in Mike Petrov,s book my J.P.sauer is pictured at the back under german rifles it has side panels and is pretty trim as marc states it should be......paul | |||
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Marc is correct. The panels were necessary because the grip and fore-end areas were of absolute minimum dimensions. Without the extra wood in the panels, the stocks would have been too fragile. | |||
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Hey Wildcat Where did that picture of the rifle stock come from? Is the stock available from someone or is the one pictured a custom job? I really like that stock except for me I would carve the raised flats off of it and make a smaller but more defined schnabel end. Thanks | |||
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I have an original Mauser of that type that somebody threw away the scope mount bases. Then they had P.O. Ackely rebarrel teh gun to .270 Win. and give the gun a glossy Weatherby style blue job. Al I can say at this point is if Ackely did the work on that rifle, he damn well does not deserve the goor reputation that he has. However, that rifle feels as light as a feather, the double set trigger releases at just about 1.5 pounds and I figure maybe I should try to restore that rifle to originality. Probably end up costing me some serious coin to do it right, but dammit, I do love the feel of that rifle. Yes, mine does have those side panels. I believe they are there to reinforce the stock at what seems to be it's weakest point. After all, there isn't a hell of a lot of wood at that point on the stock. Paul B. | |||
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www.gunstocks.com They claim to have a lot of stuff "on the shelf" inletted for the Intermediate length LR M98 no less. Barrel channels are only semi inletted, I assume W/just a "starter channel". The picture is from the "Gallery of Completed Gunstcks", If you click on "Styles of Rifle Stocks" you will see the "Obendorf" style semifinished picture. I plan to get "Select Plain" English Walnut ($150) and will probably get a Neidner steel buttplate & grip cap to install myself.(another $50 for both) Not counting the scope, I will have less than $400 in the rifle & mounts. For hunting this fall I'll just do a cold blue job. Next spring I will probably spring for a good bluing job & perhaps some basic checkering. Still less than $600 in a nice somewhat unique (for these parts)rifle. I promised my son last summer I would build him a rifle for all the help he gave me building an 1,800 square ft flight pen for my pheasants. Burying the chickenwire a foot in the ground (over 250') was a 2 day back breaking job. GOOGLE HOTLINK FIX FOR BLOCKED PHOTOBUCKET IMAGES https://chrome.google.com/webs...inkfix=1516144253810 | |||
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I am just trying to figure how you are realistically gonna get 2600 fps with a 200 grain bullet in an 8x57 case. I know factory loads are loaded down....but even handloads I think 2600 is a little hopeful Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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European factory loads meet or exceed that level. S&B has a 196gr load @ 2598fps. A compressed load of IMR 4350 will hit 2600FPS very easily W/a 200gr Nosler Partition. Been there done that. Actually, Nosler's #4 & #5 Manual load data lists 2700fps, but I was never able to get that. GOOGLE HOTLINK FIX FOR BLOCKED PHOTOBUCKET IMAGES https://chrome.google.com/webs...inkfix=1516144253810 | |||
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From Nosler's #4 & #5 Load Manual. 8x57 JS...52grs IMR 4350....2698fps W/200gr Partition (101% load density) GOOGLE HOTLINK FIX FOR BLOCKED PHOTOBUCKET IMAGES https://chrome.google.com/webs...inkfix=1516144253810 | |||
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The funny thing about that book is that they don't show one .338-06 load with a 200-210 hitting that same velocity. Go figure.  Aut vincere aut mori | |||
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AND, the 180gr BT wont hit the same velocities as the 200gr Par.(according to Nosler) Ya figure they are trying to sell the more exspensive Partition? I get 2800fps out of the 180gr BT, 2600fps from the 200gr Par. GOOGLE HOTLINK FIX FOR BLOCKED PHOTOBUCKET IMAGES https://chrome.google.com/webs...inkfix=1516144253810 | |||
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