Are they down or do they have a new website address I'm not aware of? I have been checking for a couple weeks.

They appear to be down as I get an error and I was in their site earlier today.

Think of it as devine intervention.

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Think of it as devine intervention

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Originally posted by z1r:
Think of it as devine intervention.

Exactly, give douglas or one of the other worthy comps. the business for a 20% more, you'll get alot more than that back in quality.
-Don

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Originally posted by ramrod340:

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Think of it as devine intervention

me too

The site is up for me.

Beyond that, other than delivery timeframes, I've never had a problem with any of the ER Shaw hunting barrels I've had installed by them. Ditto for any of the other work I've had done by them.

Their delivery time has gotten much better.

I will agree, to a certain point they are the next best second rate barrel out there.

If I'm going to have to wait six months for a barrel blank it'll be something worth waiting for....like a Kreiger!

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Originally posted by vapodog:

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Originally posted by ramrod340:

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Think of it as devine intervention

me too

Boy! You guys make me feel dumb and ugly roger

He Jim!
What's the first-best second-rate barrel out there?

I was there yesterday...maybe their server is down.

http://www.ershawbarrels.com/

The last barrel I got from them, 375H&H, blued CM was just as good or better than any Douglas, Midway or Shilen barrel I've used, and puts 3 rounds touching at 100 yds. Can't ask for much better for the price.

I wouldn't use one for a benchrester if I wanted to collect the trophy, but for anything else, all the smaller caliber...22, 243, 25 etc they all hold half minute or less when I do my part. I think most of the BS that gets spread around about Shaw barrels is just that...BS...from mindless phools talking schat and licking their lower regions while sitting on the couch wagging their tails.

Ive gotten bad barrels from ALL the major barrel makers over 40 years of doing this, so don't give me that "perfect" barrel garbage, there is a lot more going on than most nummies understand.

'Njoy

Probably setting up shop in China where the new barrels will be manufactured . Fung Chew # 4 taper !.

Shoot Straight Know Your Target . ...

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Originally posted by FOOBAR:
I was there yesterday...maybe their server is down.

I was on their site last night when I posted.......can't get in now.

I echo your sentiments about Shaw barrels. I also think the price-performer is having them install their barrels.

I've been very satisfied with any they've done......for a tick over $200 installed.

I've also used IT&D Douglas barrels. Under $250 installed.

I only have one. Got it on a barreled Mark X action that I bought for the action.

Is in .264 Win Mag. That caliber is not one I'd have gone out of my way to acquire, but I decided to shoot it to see what it would do. The darned thing shoots better than an MOA with 125 gr Nosler Partition seconds at screamin' speeds. Didn't even bed the stock.

.264 Win Mag is supposed to be hard on barrels, so this one won't last that long and I can go back to plan. Snobbery aside, in the meantime I can't complain abt the "cheap" barrel!

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Originally posted by FOOBAR:
I think most of the BS that gets spread around about Shaw barrels is just that...BS...from mindless phools talking schat and licking their lower regions while sitting on the couch wagging their tails.

Here's an ER Shaw success story...

My exposure with ER Shaw barrels was back in the early 80's. I didn't know it at the time, but they would become one of the biggest influences in my career. Yes indeed. It was because of ER Shaws early QC and their rush to get barrels out the door, that I gained tremendous experience slugging and straightening barrels. I could spot an ER Shaw barrel from across the room just by how it would wobble coming through the door.

ER Shaw was probably more responsible for the path I chose than any other single influence. I figured that with the amount of disatisfied people wanting to get rid of their ER Shaw barrels, I should probably buy a lathe and get cracking. So in a sense, ER Shaw was responsible for my first lathe.

Early ER Shaw barrels opened my eye's to the differences that existed between quality and shit. I always thought of ER Shaw barrels as being the best target barrels going. However if the wind is blowing they're a little difficult to hit at 300 yards.

I am talking about the ER Shaw of the late 70's/early 80's. Their barrels may be great today, but I can't take that chance. That old taste still lingers.

I would like to take a second and give a shout out to ER Shaw, and tell them thanks for the business! It might have taken alot longer without them.

I was just curious about the barreled actions I had heard they were making/handling.

I wanted to read the website's propaganda(promotion) of them.

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Originally posted by Riodot:
I was just curious about the barreled actions I had heard they were making/handling.

I wanted to read the website's propaganda(promotion) of them.

A word to the wise, be careful when trying to determine the quality of a product by what's written on their menu. My first wife taught me that!

I've not had any actual experience with E.R. Shaw barrels, yet, but that is about to change.

I have been chasing rifled 12 gauge barrel blanks for a while and have written to a number of US barrel makers seeking these items. So far, E. R Shaw is the only barrel maker to even respond to my inquiries and they did it within 24 hours, so that has got to be a good start!

All of the other makers, that I have emailed, have just ignored me so they miss out on the business.

Savage 10 / 110 Action.

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Originally posted by Westpac:

I am talking about the ER Shaw of the late 70's/early 80's. Their barrels may be great today, but I can't take that chance. That old taste still lingers.

Yeah.....Kobe has the same attitude and reasoning.

So if either of you are asked about ER Shaw barrels by a prospective purchaser.....you couldn't answer from an informed position.

Correct?

I used one about a year and a half ago. Correction, I tried to use one. As supplied, the cylindrical portion just ahead of the receiver ring was too large in diameter for the effect we were after. It (diameter) needed to be thinned by .050". So, I made a cut of .005" and the damn thing started wobbling between centers like an out of balance washing machine. The length of the cut was 4 inches at most. I pulled the barrel off and looked down the barrel from the chamber end. I could only see half the muzzle. It was promptly disposed of and I'll never use another.

I've recontoured dozens of old mauser barrels to remove the steps and never had one walk on me.

But this is just my phoolish, uninformed, couch potato opinion.

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Originally posted by GrandView:

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Originally posted by Westpac:

I am talking about the ER Shaw of the late 70's/early 80's. Their barrels may be great today, but I can't take that chance. That old taste still lingers.

Yeah.....Kobe has the same attitude and reasoning.

So if either of you are asked about ER Shaw barrels by a prospective purchaser.....you couldn't answer from an informed position.

Correct?

I can't speak for Kobe, but I won't install something that I can't guarantee. And I'm not about to steer my customers towards something that will likely not produce the results they are after. If ER Shaw begins winning matches, then perhaps I will have a look. But if you are happy with them, then you may have my share.

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Originally posted by Westpac:
.....will likely not produce the results they are after.

I'm still curious here....

What results are you referring to, and why do you feel a Shaw barrel is likely not to produce them?

I can tell you this much....when I ask them for a delivery date on a simple barrel blank (no threading, no chambering etc.) and I get a date six months out they aren't serious about wanting my business.

I can get almost any Douglas barrel in a week from date of order.

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Originally posted by vapodog:
I can tell you this much....when I ask them for a delivery date on a simple barrel blank (no threading, no chambering etc.) and I get a date six months out they aren't serious about wanting my business.

Yep. Had that experience about 15 years ago with a 35 Whelen barrel. About 6 months to install.

My last three....another Whelen, an '06, and a .280 were delivered just short of 5 weeks. Those were all barreled in the last 2 years.

I think their contours on anything over .30 are a bit stout also.

Their smithing is "assembly line", they won't do anything beyond what they offer in their catalog. Forging bolts are done their way to their shape, welded bolts are their one style, etc...

I've never had a problem with their quality, however. You want a barrel for a hunting rifle, select one and have it installed. It's a price performer.

* edit....the first Whelen was 15 years ago, not 5....

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Originally posted by GrandView:

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Originally posted by Westpac:
.....will likely not produce the results they are after.

I'm still curious here....

What results are you referring to, and why do you feel a Shaw barrel is likely not to produce them?

Consistency. The one thing the gunsmith/builder has no control over is the barrel. For most of us, we have to rely on someone else's skills to produce a top quality barrel. One that doesn't change shapes when it cools down after a day of shooting. Something consistent, predictable, repeatable. "Ye shall be judged by the company ye keeps". That includes barrels.

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Originally posted by Westpac:

Consistency. The one thing the gunsmith/builder has no control over is the barrel. For most of us, we have to rely on someone else's skills to produce a top quality barrel. One that doesn't change shapes when it cools down after a day of shooting. Something consistent, predictable, repeatable.

So you're talking barrels for target or match shooting then. Correct?

Not trying to be obtuse about it, but I'd like to know what I'm missing that apparently I'm not aware of.

I tried one in the early 90s. Took about 5 months to get it just the blank. It was bent. Just rolling across the table showed that. I sent it back and liked to never get my money. If I want just a hunting rifle I go with a Douglas and don't look back. I've used around 20 and never a problem. These are basic hunting rifles not a high $$$ custom. On a high $$ I might go with a different blank simply for resale I have never had a Douglas that wouldn't shoot submoa. Which is all I need.

There must be plenty of happy Shaw customers they are still in business I just will never be one.

Although the resent2 Shaw barrels received were adequate for their intended purpose, they were not of the high quality Wespac is eluding to. An instant indication of this was the as received surface rust on them. Much of that was in the form of hand and finger prints. When asked about it the Shaw guy said that it had been awfully humid at that time in PA. Another is on the way and as said, they meet the intended purpose but are still a Sow's Ear. roger