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Gents:

A poster recommended I move my thread over here. I have a M70 Classic in 30 06 to be used as a project basis this winter. In the meantime, I will use it for my moose hunt next week. At the range the other day, I was practicing with one round in the magazine and one in the chamber. As I fired the first, I worked the bolt and dropped to one knee. However, when I pressed the trigger, all I got was a click. I cleared the rifle, put the safety on and looked around to find round number 2 in the dirt along with the fired cartridge from the first shot.

Any guesses on what happened?

Thanks!

Jeff
 
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TRy duplicating the problem and watch to see how it happens.
 
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Agree you should try and duplicate it...


On a CRF action the bolt face does no reach down and grab the cartridge, the cartridge when it releases from the rails pops up into the bolt face and under the extractor.

I suspect round number 2 may have popped up early and at a strange angle and missed engaging the extractor and the bolt may have simply pushed it off to the side and out on to the ground.

Remember Control Round Feeding is a misnomer. It really is Control Round Extraction.

With both a properly adjusted CRF or a PF, when the cartridge releases from the rails/magazine a good 1/3 or more of the cartridge is already past the opening of the ejection port and there is only one place for it to go (assuming you keep moving the bolt forward) and that is all the way into the chamber.

Even if you turn a push feed upside down, the cartridge can't fall out becuase the ejection port is too small at that point because the bolt has progressed forward.

The only "control" the CRF provides is that once the cartridge releases from the rails should you change your mind and pull the bolt backwards half way thru the bolt stroke is that the round will extract and eject in a positive fashion.


Mike

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floor plate opened up and dumped the round on your shoes
 
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I've had the same problems with one of mine. 458ar on a ruger mk77. When I ran the bolt open very fast after firing it would spit the next live round out onto the ground. Tried three different followers, two different springs. I finally gave up and took it to a good smith, its there now and hopefully he can get it to work. Very frustrating. It would only do it when I ran the bolt really, really fast so duplicating the misfeed at home was difficult.
 
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