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I have a .404 Jeffery built on a standard length 98 Mauser Banner action. It has a Wisner drop box magazine assembly. The gun still has the original mauser trigger which is slightly too short in the trigger guard. I would like to replace it. So here are my 2 questions: 1. Who makes the best dangerous game trigger? 2. Who makes a trigger that is slightly lengthened for a drop magazine? Jeff | ||
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Jeff, What do you mean by a dangerous game trigger? I always felt triggers are just triggers on a hunting rifle. I can't see there being any difference in characteristics on a hunting rilfe between a "deer" trigger and a capable buffalo trigger. Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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Mike, I guess what I mean by a dangerous game trigger is a high quality, ultra reliable, simple, trigger that is adjustable to a decent pull. There is probably nothing more reliable than the original military trigger but I have never been able to adjust one properly. | |||
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I have never had any problems with Timney,Canjar or Bold, BUT, Recently I had an unidentified make of M-98 aftermarket trigger fail. God knows how old it was or who made it, but the finger area had the most perfect fit for my finger and I put it on a rifle in 375 WTBY many years ago. I probably only put 150 rds through it and one day it malfunctioned. The aluminum body was so soft that the steel pins had egg shaped under recoil and sear alignment went out the window. I think for all my DGR's, I will now go to an all steel unit like the Power. Kind of like cheap insurance, maybe not necessary, but one less thing to go wrong! DRSS(We Band of Bubba's Div.) N.R.A (Life) T.S.R.A (Life) D.S.C. | |||
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Jeff, You might check with Blackburn. Fred DRSS Member | |||
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Fred Wells told me that he put Timneys in his customs. I like 'em. RG | |||
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It sounds like someone built this rifle on a milsurp action and it may be the bottom metal was not inletted into the stock far enough. Jim Kobe 10841 Oxborough Ave So Bloomington MN 55437 952.884.6031 Professional member American Custom Gunmakers Guild | |||
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Let me guess.. The trigger does not come close enough to the "bottom" of the trigger guard??? Blackburn once made a trigger with a longer lever, but you can simply cut off the lever and make an "extension"...tig or silver solder will do just fine | |||
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Okay, here are some photos with the gun in the stock and out of the stock. There is a difference of about 1/8". Whats the problem? In the stock    Out of the stock   and some shots of the fitted bottom metal   | |||
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"The best" is subjective. Many consider the two stage military trigger to be the most effective trigger ever designed. The trigger you have is probably very funtional. It is not "too short" it is simply designed to fit a military guard with clearance behind and below for use in adverse conditions. It is a simple matter to put a new hook on your trigger. You should have a local gunsmith who can do that. You can ask him to make it curve more to the back and lower in the guard if that look is important, as long as it still funtions. The military trigger was designed to work in adverse conditions, most sporting models do not have the clearance behind or below the trigger, giving the look that they "fit" better. Any of the standard replacement triggers (Timney, Bold, Blackburn {if you can get one})would also work and could be a do-it-yourself project if you follow the instructions. They would be set back and lower in the guard. I can't tell from your photos, but your statement that there is a 1/8 inch difference when you take the action out of the stock suggests that it needs to be bedded properly, that is full depth. You can confirm that by looking at the action too see if there is a gap between the bottom of the action and the top of the magazine box. Most bed actions so this is space is about a dimes width. A larger gap suggest the need to re-bed, then see if the trigger is satisfactory to you. Roger | |||
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Hmmmm. I think that is what I said. Jim Kobe 10841 Oxborough Ave So Bloomington MN 55437 952.884.6031 Professional member American Custom Gunmakers Guild | |||
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J.W. I've got some long triggers that I use on my Magnum actions with deep 4 round boxes. It's a m-70 system developed by Grisel in the mid 80s'and revamped by me last spring to fit my tange design. It's stupid simple to make and works great. It could be adapted to your Mauser, although it would require welding or soldering an block to the bottom of your tange to hold the trigger. Which would mean refinish and blue work. Assuming your 404 is a finished rifle. You can view it on a pair of actions at www.satterleearms.com under magnum mauser there's a pair of 416 actions with these triggers. I've got 30 sear and trigger sets in stock, two different trigger lenghts, deep and standard. Timan | |||
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I agree Mr Kobe, but clearly from his next post it is evident that Jawheeler still had questions. I view this forum as a chance to learn. Sometimes hearing things said in a different way or by someone else will trigger acceptance and retention of information. It is possible the trigger guard is not the problem. It looks to be flush with the bottom of the stock, and I doubt the stock was designed to have that inletted so the stock stands proud. Maybe the action was not bedded full depth. If the tang was filed down as it sometimes is done, and if the recoil lug was not drawn down fully, the same result will occur. That is why I suggested he check the gap. It was not my intent to ignore or disrespect your post. The best solution may still be to reshape or put a new hook on the existing trigger. This would be much easier than bedding the action. I like the two stage military trigger, but agree about how it looks sitting forward in the guard. Because of the length of pull needed for the take up, there is only so much it can be moved back and still function. I think there is enough metal to heat and forge the existing trigger to a more pleasing shape, or a new hook could be a fix. Roger | |||
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Jim and Roger, First of all I appreciate the input from both you. My reason for posting the photos was to show visually what was going on. The action looks to be well fit and the gun feeds and functions well as it is. So, the question I have now is, do I need to re-bed the action and install a standard trigger or leave the action alone and get a trigger that fits. Seems eaiser to get a trigger to fit. Tinman, I will PM you later. Thanks Jeff | |||
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CNC Speciatly Products, formerly Blackburn Machine has produced a large quanity of triggers for the 98 Mauser. There are many functional parts on a rifle that are as important as the trigger, but none more so. The best sights and the most accurate barrel are next to useless if the trigger has a creepy, uneven letoff. Blackburn triggers are totaly machined. They have no stamped or cast parts. Our housings are milled from aircraft quality aluminum or steel. Blackburn single stage triggers are made for the most discerning riflemen. The recommended weight adjustment is from 2 to 4 lbs. Phone 435-623-1388 Email: cncspecialty@netzero.com Maggie Baum CNC Specialty Products P.O. Box 369 / 50 East 100 North Levan, UT 84639 Phone: 801-691-8152 Email: maggie@cncspecialtyproducts.com http://cncspecialtyproducts.com/ | |||
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