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I got a VZ-24 action a while back, and I need to get it re heat treated. I had a contact for somebody, but that PM was over 12 months old, lost information. Thanks for the help. | ||
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PM Vapodog and ask him where he sends his. | |||
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Blanchard metal treating, Salt Lake City. Jim Kobe 10841 Oxborough Ave So Bloomington MN 55437 952.884.6031 Professional member American Custom Gunmakers Guild | |||
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I've been using Pacific Metallurgical in Washington state and will continue to send actions there. I've been very satisfied with quality and turnaround time! /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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So what does the heat treating of an action usually run? "I would rather have a German division in front of me than a French one behind me." -- General George S. Patton | |||
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It's a "lot" charge.....it runs (with shipping) roughly $100 for an action and the same for at least five (which is the most I've sent at any one time). I strip the actions and send actions only. I do not heat treat bolts so if you want them heat treated as well the price may be more. /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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So if you send them three actions it's a flat $100 and not $100 for each action? Maybe a stupid question but I just want to make sure I understand what your saying. Would this fix the brittleness problem with low # springfields? Sorry about the Hi-jack "I would rather have a German division in front of me than a French one behind me." -- General George S. Patton | |||
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I have worked on 100 Mausers, and never got any heat treated. And I overload them until the primers fall out. I really stress the rifles, and I have yet to have any lugs set back on my watch. I have worked on cars, and never got any of the part heat treated. I was happy the way they came for the factory. I am not happy with this book: The book is not just scatter brained in organization and lacking in good drawings and pictures, but suggests all kinds of silly things, like getting parts heat treated. Maybe it is a blue print for how to come up with more things a gunsmith can charge. Send the parts out for heat treat. Add the wholesale - retail increase on the cost. This could help make a boat payment, but will not make the rifle any better, IMHO. It is almost as if an old gunsmith school teacher had lecture notes, sent them to a publisher without the drawings on the black board, demonstrations, and other impromptu comments, where no editing was done, but printed as is and priced at $30.  | |||
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Clark, Since you are dissatisfied with the literature currently available on Mauser gunsmithing, when will your book go to print? Jason "Chance favors the prepared mind." | |||
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Tex, I would suggest you re read Walsh's Mauser book with an eye to the notion that he only wrote the book in reaction to how much Kuhnhausen's book's short comings irritated him. And while you are at it, I would suggest that you re watch "Oh brother where art thou?" with an eye to the three main characters represent the mind, the emotions, and the body, instead of the Ulysses interpretation. Come back later for more home work. | |||
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I have a 1909 Argentine action that I took to Douglas Barrels, they Rockwell tested it on the "C" scale, & it had a hardness of 2. Would you build a custom rifle on this action without having it re-hardened ? ____________________________ .470 & 9.3X74R Chapuis' Tikka O/U 9.3X74R Searcy Classics 450/.400 3" & .577 C&H .375 2 1/2" Krieghoff .500 NE Member Dallas Safari Club | |||
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I've read this before and a properly heat treated Mauser action cannot be checked on the Rc scale as it's far too much pressure for the case depth and the probe breaks thru. The reading they got was typical of low carbon Rc readings and IMO not sufficient for a custom rifle. It's wel known that Mausers prior to 1924 can be a trifle soft and lead to setback. I'd say you should heat treat the 1909 argie. For those that choose to make a rifle with pressures and casehead the size of the .270 from a VZ-24, the heattreating could be omitted. I have used them for magnums and send them off to Pacmet as a precaution. In fact they might not need it. /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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I wonder if you could answer a few questions so that I am sure I understand what you have said. 1. You say you have worked on 100 mauser actions. Could you tell us what actons those were, e.g. what model each was, and when each was made. 2. What kind of work did you do on them. Did you barrel them. If so, what calibers did you barrel them to. 3. You shot them with heavy loads where the primers fell out. How many of these heavy loads on average did you put through each one of the rifles. Did you keep track for each rifle. 4. Did you measure the actions before hand to see if there was any setback in them before they were rebarreled. 5. And finally, of the 100 actions, how many of them did you take the barrel off and remeasure to see if there had been any measureable setback? | |||
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1. You say you have worked on 100 mauser actions. Could you tell us what actons those were, e.g. what model each was, and when each was made. Mostly 1903 Turkish Mausers made in Orberndorf between 1903 and 1905. Second most plentiful were VZ24 actions. 2. What kind of work did you do on them. Did you barrel them. If so, what calibers did you barrel them to. I pull the barrels, inspect them, drill and tap them, bend or weld the bolt, true the face, lap the lugs, lap the inner C ring, drill and tap for spring detents against the bolt body, mill off the charging hump, draw file, etc. Some get re barreled some get their 8mm barrel back. 3. You shot them with heavy loads where the primers fell out. How many of these heavy loads on average did you put through each one of the rifles. Did you keep track for each rifle. It is possible to work backwards from load notes to tell which rifle got what, but it is allot of work. The purpose of the range work is not to track rifles, but for other experiments. Each trip is written up, stapled to the targets, and thrown on a pile. A software engineer pen pal is emailed a copy of the report. I can do a search in FireFox against key words. 4. Did you measure the actions before hand to see if there was any setback in them before they were re barreled. I find that a few percent have lug set back when I get them, but I have never been able to do it myself. One theory is that they have been shot with a barrel full of rain water. 5. And finally, of the 100 actions, how many of them did you take the barrel off and remeasure to see if there had been any measureable setback? I can feel set back. Lifting the bolt should be easy up to within a few grains of the primer pocket getting loose. Set back causes the bolt to be harder to lift at much lower loads. But answering these questions is never going to get you what you want. What you want is a dead soft annealed 98 pushed until set back, compared to a new 98, compared to the threshold of the primer falling out. Then you will have quantified the safety margins that are the basis of your fears. Also you wonder about who would buy 100 Mausers for himself. I am converting one for someone returning from Iraq. I don't need 100 Mausers. They are beginning to own ME. I gave one to Seafire. I gave one each to the guys I hunt with. I gave one to a guy at work. What does it all mean? I have been overloading guns for 10 years to see what happens and recording the data. 98 Mausers and Ruger #1s do not need any help. | |||
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Not to hijack the thread and while we're on the subject....What comes first? The heat treat or the polishing? ......civilize 'em with a Krag | |||
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Interestingly, the title of this film is the same as the script Joel McCrea wants to direct in "Sullivan's travels": "Oh Brother, Where Art Thou"' The title of Sullivan's unrealized dream project has resurfaced in several other works. * A 1991 episode of The Simpsons is entitled "Oh Brother, Where Art Thou?", and features Homer's half-brother Herb, who goes from being CEO of a major car manufacturer to a hobo. * In the 1993 film Amos & Andrew, Samuel L. Jackson's character has won the Pulitzer Prize for writing a play called Yo Brother, Where Art Thou? * The Coen brothers' 2000 film O Brother, Where Art Thou? borrows the title and there are many plot similarities to Sullivan's Travels. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sullivan%27s_Travels | |||
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Have seen setback. Will heat-treat. | |||
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GrosVentreGeorge, low number 1903 Springfields cannot successfully be reheatreated. | |||
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I have seen lug ste back in rifles that cost well into 5 figures. Have also seen it on cheaper rifles. It is real possibility with any military Mauser. As stated low number Springfields cannot be fized if they were overheated when built. That said, I shoot low number Springfields, others shoot low number Springfields, tens of thousands of Axis soldiers died from bullets shot from low numbered Springfields (Germans in both World Wars), all US military branches shot low numbered Springfields in competition and in battle for decades, only replacing the actions if the rifle went in for a rebuild (usually from being shot out!). This has gotten to be something blown out of proportion and is akin to the equally rediculous, "Damascus barrels are dangerous and will blow up with smokeless powder" mantra. But this SPringfield talk is for another thread. But please do not start one, but rather do a search. It has been brought up here many times | |||
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Alrighty then. So, for the sake of conversation I am building a 500 max. Guess that would classify as a magnum. Next question. Who is sending a batch of receivers so I can get in on it and not have to spend a full $100? Dammit Vapo I should have jumped in on it with you when you sold the receiver to me to begin with. You gave me the chance. | |||
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