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PTG BOTTOM METAL
24 July 2010, 03:57
Ashley KiffPTG BOTTOM METAL
http://www.pacifictoolandgauge...bottommetalviews.htmFor those of you who have been waiting to see our Bottom Metal, I have posted a couple different pictures. More to come.....
Thank you,
Ashley Kiff
Pacific Tool & Gauge
ashley@pacifictoolandgauge.com24 July 2010, 04:49
FOOBARHey Asley, reamer...are you going to do any Ruger Bottom metal or coffin style +1 or +2 round boxes??
I did a +1 that didn't turn out too bad...and I'm doing another today, different design and I will do a +2 in a day or so...be MUCH simpler on CNC equipment than on my worn out manual dogs. A few people are asking. I'm guessing there will be a higher interest when you get found out.
You have GREAT reamers.
Luck
24 July 2010, 05:07
kcstottquote:
Originally posted by Big Earl:
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If you want obscene bottom metal pricing for what you get look no further than MRC.
I tried to buy a floor plate from MRC and they said they would not sell individial parts. My client lost his on the way to the engraver.
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That's because a Remington ain't fit for custom bottom metal
Awww........that hurts! But why not?
You know I was just stirring the pot.
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24 July 2010, 05:11
kcstottquote:
Originally posted by J.D.Steele:
quote:
Originally posted by kcstott:
Remember they wouldn't price it that high if they couldn't get that much for it. Some body and at least more then a few are droping that kind of cash on Bottom metal.
Yeah, but that may change soon, at least to some degree. Please see my comment above/below.
"The more competition there is in any market, the better it is for the consumer."
We'll see.
I do understand that there are some folks who judge desirability by the price tag, regardless of comparative quality. One of My Bride's stupider girl friends is this way, she makes SURE that all her friends know just exactly HOW SPECIAL she is, by showing off her purchase's price tag and store name.
Even though she could have gotten the same thing a little cheaper somewhere else! Go figure...
Regards, Joe
Joe I couldn't agree more. Especially about your wife's friend. I've run into a few people like that and it just about makes me puke.
I can't understand the part of human nature that makes people think that way. All I can say is "Marketing" pure and simple.
Now if we can just talk PTG into building double rifles we'd be set.
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24 July 2010, 07:09
dempseyDo these units have a draft? if so how much? Pics look good.
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24 July 2010, 07:52
reamerThe units do have taper as needed per rifle type. The winchester, Remigton and others will be offered with a drop floor plate in the next run to accept a extra round.
24 July 2010, 09:37
McCrayDave, do your Winchester units fit into the factory inletting for one piece floorplate/triggergards?
Glad to see you're making some with the push button latch...I thought I was the only person that prefers it to the Oberndorf latch.
"There always seems to be a big market for making the clear, complex."
24 July 2010, 10:22
Bill LeeperDave, Ashley,
I am certainly in the minority in that I actually LIKE the Winchester two-piece metal. Be that as it may, do you intend to make anything for pre-64 actions? I know there is not a huge market there but there is the occasional need to replace the old aluminum Featherweight stuff. Regards, Bill.
25 July 2010, 08:01
viperidaequote:
Originally posted by FOOBAR:
Hey Asley, reamer...are you going to do any Ruger Bottom metal or coffin style +1 or +2 round boxes??
I did a +1 that didn't turn out too bad...and I'm doing another today, different design and I will do a +2 in a day or so...be MUCH simpler on CNC equipment than on my worn out manual dogs. A few people are asking. I'm guessing there will be a higher interest when you get found out.
You have GREAT reamers.
Luck
Another vote for +1 or +2 Ruger bottom metal.
25 July 2010, 10:20
reamerok . we will do it
25 July 2010, 23:44
lawndartCan I get a calender for 2010?
I was really ill last year, so I did not buy any reamers.
Actually I have to order one next week; I will snivel about the calender then
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quote:
Originally posted by Bill Leeper:
Dave, Ashley,
I am certainly in the minority in that I actually LIKE the Winchester two-piece metal. Be that as it may, do you intend to make anything for pre-64 actions? I know there is not a huge market there but there is the occasional need to replace the old aluminum Featherweight stuff. Regards, Bill.
Yeah, that would be nice. I have a pre-64 FW that could certainly use new bottom metal.
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26 July 2010, 08:04
Bill LeeperI have a model 54 I have re-drilled to Model 70 specs which needs some too. I guess I can always modify some Williams stuff.
What's this about a calendar? I've never seen one. Do I have to order another reamer to get one? Regards, Bill.
27 July 2010, 14:51
lawndartYeah,
I used to get a calender every year. I am not sure what the reamer orders per year minimum is.
I would love to see an extra capacity (+1 or 2) for the Model 70 Classic Safari Express (375 H&H) with the Oberndorf release.
Frank
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31 July 2010, 02:31
Ashley KiffFINALLY!!!
For all of you who have been patiently waiting the Winchester Long & Short Action Trigger Guards are finally starting to ship out today. All reserved orders should be out by Monday.
Get your orders in....They are selling fast.
Thank you all for the large amount of reserved orders.
I thoroughly enjoy reading the feed back...Keep it coming.
Thank you
Ashley Kiff
Pacific Tool & Gauge
ashley@pacifictoolandgauge.com
(541) 826-5808
31 July 2010, 05:09
reamerIf you will send a sample we can do it. I am also talking with Kevin Wyatt about a detachable mag run using his box. Thanks Dave
31 July 2010, 09:19
BIJOUCREEKreamer
I think 22wrf meant complete Obendorf mauser ACTIONs and BOTTOM metal at a reasonable price. If you know what he meant I will take 6!
31 July 2010, 10:11
reamerNo not the action , we can do the metal for you. I did not read his post correctly. Thanks Dave
31 July 2010, 11:19
BIJOUCREEKDamn. I started to dream about ptg mausers in std bolt, 375 length, and .750diam bolts, with or without double square bridge. Bottom metal included all for around $1000.
31 July 2010, 18:58
ikesdadI vote for Ruger bottom metal and Mex mauser length also.
......civilize 'em with a Krag
31 July 2010, 19:08
tanz2007Another for Ruger bottom metal....
01 August 2010, 02:35
22WRFquote:
Originally posted by reamer:
No not the action , we can do the metal for you. I did not read his post correctly. Thanks Dave
Dave
Just out of curiousity. I understand that you have the capability to make extremely complicated parts for the airline industry, and of course you make all kinds of parts for the gun industry where tolerances are extremely critical. So why not a mauser action? I would think it would be a piece of cake for a shop with your knowledge, tools, and capabilities.
01 August 2010, 02:49
butchlambertI would buy good Mauser receivers if they were less than $2000 and I didn't have to blueprint them.
Butch
01 August 2010, 07:15
JBrownquote:
Originally posted by butchlambert:
I would buy good Mauser receivers if they were less than $2000 and I didn't have to blueprint them.
Butch
Are you talking complete actions or bare receivers?
I have mulled this over many times. If someone were producing a complete action with bottom metal and safety $2,000 would defiantly be below the cost to convert a military action.
Truth be told, when Saterlee was selling complete actions for $3000 it would hard to get a military Mauser to the same point for less.
The problem is that $2,000 puts you in competition with the $3,000-$4,000 actions.
Jason
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01 August 2010, 08:44
SR4759quote:
I wonder how good the Chinese would be at making a German Oberndorf action for export to America?
They would do very well if you know how to pick the right supplier and have your product design properly documented. You might have to make several trips and live there a year or two to get everything launched properly.
21 August 2010, 16:01
rgg_7Any update on PTG bottom metal. Any decision to produce Mauser and Enfield? Any folks using these? Ron
21 August 2010, 16:23
BrandoAshley, are there any plans for Mauser 98 long action in the future?
I would like to have some for my 500AR project along with bottom metal for my 700 long action prject.
21 August 2010, 21:38
reamerWe are working on 98 mauser stuff now for midway usa. Then we will machine some 98 with a winchester/nosler style floor plate with nice latch . Thanks Dave
22 August 2010, 03:03
tiggertatequote:
Originally posted by SR4759:
quote:
I wonder how good the Chinese would be at making a German Oberndorf action for export to America?
They would do very well if you know how to pick the right supplier and have your product design properly documented. You might have to make several trips and live there a year or two to get everything launched properly.
They're ceratinly capable if you can control the quality of the source steel. There are almost endless stories of pressure vessel ruptures during hydro-test from China. The root cause in the majority of cases I've been exposed to are parent metal failure, not weld issues.
"Experience" is the only class you take where the exam comes before the lesson.
22 August 2010, 09:15
ikesdadNo Chinese for me, thank you.
I get enough of that crap at Wally World.
......civilize 'em with a Krag
23 August 2010, 01:58
Boss Hossquote:
Originally posted by 22WRF:
I just read a very interesting article this evening that was telling about how many of the Chinese factories are crying for work due to the slowdown in the U. S. Economy.
I wonder how good the Chinese would be at making a German Oberndorf action for export to America?
Too much labor-----too many set ups.... That is why Stiller has not done it.
23 August 2010, 02:10
SR4759Hoss,
The better Chinese factories are making parts for the airliners that we fly on. I have been there and seen the shops, the parts and the documentation. The main issue with China is making sure that the raw materials are up to par. Their aircraft factories understand this.
If the Chinese have one thing, that is plenty of labor.
Skilled labor in Shanghai gets about $2/hr. In the outlying areas of China skilled workers get about $.50/hr.
23 August 2010, 06:08
Boss HossSR--agree completely. I am in the Military Aerospace Industry and we do not have the China issue.
My bad for not being clear-----too expensive to make here and the custom builders would not be able to sell many rifles built with Chinese actions.
23 August 2010, 06:22
Boss Hossquote:
Originally posted by 22WRF:
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Too much labor-----too many set ups.... That is why Stiller has not done it.
I don't know much about CNC machining, but when I watch some of these 4 axis CNC machines on U Tube I am amazed at what they can do.
I don't know what "too much labor and too many setups " means? How much labor is too much labor. How many setups are too many setups?
How much more labor and how many more setups are there between a model 70 and a 98 mauser?
I was looking at a Model 70 at Cabela's the other day. The price tag on it was $699.00. So to be conservative lets say the barrel is about $50.00 of that price and the wood is about $25.00 of that price and the trigger is about $15.00 of that price. That leaves the receiver at about about $600.00.
Question. How many folks would buy an excellent quality (mauser oberndorf 1935 Chilean quality) mauser action for double the price of a winchester action?
I gotta believe that with all of this EDM and 4 Axis Milling machine stuff that wouldn't be all that hard to accomplish, or would it? I don't know. How expensive is too expensive?
Jerry Stiller and I had that conversation several years ago-------actually begged
him to do it ------ no go. BTW Jerry has the 5 axis CNC ability in house.
