For you gentlemen in the know;

How common are the old Remington 30S ?

Especially in Calibers like the 25 Rem, or the 32 Rem or the 35 Rem?

One of the other threads peaked my interest in one of these in a 25 Remington.

Thanks for any input.

Would any modern day action be suitable for chambering in this caliber? Say something based on an action currently chambered in 223?

Cheers
seafire

I handled a model 30 that someone "dumped" at a gun shop that was a 25 remington rechambered to a 257 roberts. Other than the rechamber it was original and nice . Wish I would have got it. 25 remington is going to be kind of a rare find . I know where another 30s is . Its a 06 and has a old scope mounted to the barrel and rear bridge , and the want high $$ for it like $900. way over priced.

You can find M30s but some people think they have king tuts bronze plated balls and want to much money.

Those calibers are going to be rare I would think.

I have the Rem. posted about in Small calibers

I paid $1,100 for my rifle with the Lyman Target spot scope. I saw another "mint" one for sale in Shotgun news. $1,500 for the gun alone. From what I see most of the rifles now are 30-06 and 270 with the Rem. calibers and the .257 cal being either scarce or rare. A lot of the Remington caliber guns were rechambered. I have owned two 30-06 . One was average and I paid about $450 for it with the Lyman Receiver sight. /The other was excellent plus with a Griffin and Howe Side mount and German pre-war scope. I paid $800 for it.

I got my M30Express SL (Sight Lyman) bout 4 months ago at an auction for $330.

Great condition and still .35 Rem. And no, it's not for sale.

Rob:

Very Nice Rifle, and NO I would not have insulted you and asked if it was for sale.

Good luck with it.


Elmer:

Yes, I did like the rifle that you had. I did see a Model 30 not long ago locally chambered in 244 Remington. I don't know if that was an original chambering or not. They were only asking $350.00 for it at a local pawn shop. I live in a great part of the country for finding that sort of stuff actually. A lot of Retirees from California move here, and have had old rifles since the 1940s and 1950s. As soon as they die, their wives are running all of those " old pieces of junk that might kill someone" down to the pawn shops and getting what they can for them.

I have ended up with a 1903 Springfield that was sporterized in the 1950s, a 1917 Enfield sporterized in the 1950s, several nice shaped 8mm Mausers that were sporterized, one rebarreled to 22/250 back in the 1950s or 1960s. Actually one one of the Mausers were a German made one from the early 1930s ( the 22/250) the others were CZ made in the 1930s.

I also ended up with a Swedish Mauser Sniper Rifle. Most I got for $100 to $200.00 on the top end.

Final one I have gotten locally is a 1898 Krag, with the original barrel that is a real tack driver, and it was one of the 5000 carbine models made. That and the Swedish Sniper rifle I picked up for $225.00 each.

I just seem to like the nostalgic ones all the more compared to new stuff.

A Model 54 Winchester in 30/30, 35 Remington, 250 Savage, 257 Roberts, are on the top of my I WANNA GET list! Those Remington 30s in those calibers are also getting put on there.

Cheers and thanks for the responses.
seafire

Seafire, sorry if I was a bit abrupt. Lately it seems every time I mention a gun I get 2-3 private messages looking to buy. Good luck in your search.
Rob

The various Model 30s were made from 1921-1940. The early versions (types A & R) had slender forends, schnabble tips and crescent buttplates, the later type S (1930-1940) the more conventional stock. In 1933, the actions were made to cock on opening and the trigger was altered to single stage, bolt guide ribs were added later. The most frequently encountered caliber is 30-06 but they were also chambered in 7x57, 257 Roberts, 7.65 Mauser and 25, 30, 32 and 35 Remington. For more detail see "Bolt Action Rifles" by Frank de Haas. I still occasionally see them for $350 or so, more in excellent condition. Two years ago I regretfully passed on a 30-S with Lyman 48 in new unfired condition at the Tulsa show for $600.

fla3006,

Doe sDeHaas mention anything about m30's being D&T'd for scopes?

I got most of my info from Philip Sharpes THE RIFLE IN AMERICA and he mentioned that some were D&T'd at the factory for telescopic sights, which was an option.

Mine is, two holes in the front ring, one in the rear and they look misaligned to the bore. The filler screws look as though they were never removed, there's no evidence of mounts ever being put on and so I can't imagine somone would go through the trouble of doing it aftermarket and not mounting the scope. I have heard from two other M30owners of the same situation and we have theorized that they were done at the factory with the same jig.


Thanks, Rob

Rob, it is my understanding they were not factory drilled for scope bases, only for receiver sights, but I suppose it is possible they could have been factory drilled as an option (de Haas doesn't say). Many were drilled later by gunsmiths for scope bases. One way to tell assuming the gun has not been reblued is if the threads are white. If the holes aren't straight, I think that indicates the work of a second rate gunsmith, you rarely see that kind of sloppy work on prewar firearms. If they aren't off too much, you can try redrilling (straight) and retapping the old holes for larger 8-40 screws to clean it up.

Just checked and the holes are white, But if it was an option from the factory, woudn't they take a completed gun and D&T it after the blue or do you think they would mark it as a custom option from the get go and D&T, then blue?

Too badthe holes are off. I was told that the 3 hole was for a Beuhler mount.

Rob

Two holes in front and one in back is for a Buehler one piece base for what its worth...

I read or was told that back in the "old" days you could send your rifle back to remington and get upgrades for your m30, Like a guide rib installed/machined, etc . So I would imagine some could have been drilled for scope mounts too.

My m30 was tapped at about 10:00 and 2:00 for those old style mounts. Its been plugged and the bolt reliese modified and rear reciever side contoured .Its a 1927 and it has a guide rib(maybe added),bolt handle is formed like a m720 etc. Someone did some nice customizeing on it.

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Originally posted by fla3006:
Rob, it is my understanding they were not factory drilled for scope bases, only for receiver sights, but I suppose it is possible they could have been factory drilled as an option (de Haas doesn't say). Many were drilled later by gunsmiths for scope bases. One way to tell assuming the gun has not been reblued is if the threads are white. If the holes aren't straight, I think that indicates the work of a second rate gunsmith, you rarely see that kind of sloppy work on prewar firearms. If they aren't off too much, you can try redrilling (straight) and retapping the old holes for larger 8-40 screws to clean it up.

FWIW, today I posed the question about factory D&T to the Remington Collectors Society. The have a Q&A called "RemShots". They just got back to me with the following.....

"Good Morning Mr. Stasio,

On Page 59 of Remington-U.M.C.'s Catalog Number 107 (1923) the Model 30 is
shown with a scope mounted. The following text is accompanying: "Also supplied with special mounts. Prices on request."

I hope the foregoing has been of interest to you. If you have any questions
or if I may be of further service, please, let me know.

RemShots"

So I think it's safe to assume they were D&T'd at the factory.

Rob

I guess that settles it. I bet they drilled them straight too.

Of the oddball Remington calibres, over the years I have seen more .25s at gun shows than .30, .32 or .35. Was a moderately popular varmint load before the hot .22s came on the scene.

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Originally posted by fla3006:
I guess that settles it. I bet they drilled them straight too.

Yeah, you're right, they probably did.

Just nags at me that the two other owners I know have have the same misalignment. Karma.

Regards,
Rob

I've owned more than a few commercial FN Mausers that were drilled wrong by incompetant smiths. Is a common problem in my experience.

I had a 30 Express in 30.06 and a 30S in 25 Remington. I sold the last one 25 Remington to a memeber of this board last year. It was an accurate rifle and a pleasant shooter. It just didn't suit my purpose anymore and was gathering dust.
The 30 Express was made in 1921 and was rough but was a good shooter. I sold it because I had 14 rifles in the same caliber and somebody else wanted it for money in hand. I have never seen another 25 Remington 30S.