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| <BMG> |
Mabey something in a .22lr, .22Mag, 22 Hornet, .38/55, .44 Mag, etc? The 'big boys' are way too much for me, but a .22lr and up would be fun. | ||
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If you have the money they will make the rifle! | |||
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I don't recall actually seeing a .22lr but I have seen doubles in calibers like .219 Rimmed....a lot of Europeans like double rifles for everything and that includes some mountain-style hunting for chamois. | |||
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| <Hubie> |
quote: Since we're "wishing", how 'bout a 7.62x54 or .303 on one side, and a .222R or .218 Bee on the other... | ||
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I think Beretta and Valmet make over and under rifles in smaller calibers. I read about one in 30-06 in a magazine a while back.Maybe one of these will trip your trigger.Aint a side X side but close. | |||
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Honestly, I know NOBODY who hunts chamois with double rifles ... Favourite calibers are 5.6x50 ( for Murmel ) and then 6.5x68, 7x64, 7x65R and perhaps some exotic chamberings. The 6.5x64 or 65 is catching on. But You have a good chance to see lots of .30-06 or 7 mm Rem. Bolts are tops, but some single shots are used: Ferlach, Blaser or "Heerenb�chse" . But notice : NO doubles, except for driven hunts in woods. And then not in .218 or such ... Good shooting! H ------------------ | |||
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BMG, I know that August Francotte of Belgium used to make any caliber you wish. I am not sure whether they still do. ------------------ www.accuratereloading.com | |||
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Take a look at www.merkel-waffen.de or at www.gunmaker.org I think that they made some doubles in 6,5x57R or 7x57R. Doubles with two calibers are usually made as superposed, and are called "Bergstutzen" (mountain rifle) Mostly all german manufacturers have such in their assortment. Fritz | |||
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A few of the English double gun makers made them in 22 Hornet, 22 L.R., but they sure bring a sack of money these days if you can find one...Last one I saw was a 22 L.R. by Holland & Holland (I believe) at $55,000.00. I coveted that gun, would have succombed to sin to own it, had I been given the opertunity.. ------------------ | |||
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| <Harry> |
There were 10 pc of 22 LR doubles made by Conn. Shotguns at the Vegas SCI show last year. The tab was $38,000 each. Bob Peterson of Peterson Publications bought one and there were several other sold then (one with a extra set of smoothbores) and as Jimmy Carter said...I lusted after them! I got to play with one several times during the show. They were scaled down to 22 LR size. I did my best to try and figure to buy one. I had plenty of lust but was short of cash. If I owned one I would sleep with it as I would not want it to get too far from me! engraved, beautiful wood and etc. | ||
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I was reading a gun magazine this year (forgot which one), where some barrel inserts were shown. These inserts are installed inside double-barrel rifles (or any other rifle) so one can shoot small caliber ammo. Some of them were expensive, somewhere from $500.00 to perhaps $1,000, and most were made overseas. First you would need the rifle, or maybe a shotgun with double barrels. | |||
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I saw and fired a wesley-Richards double in 25-20WCF. Martin Hagn brought a 7x57 falling block double he had built by to show me. That was a nice rifle. Slim at about 7 1/2 lb and a really beautiful piece. You would want to be willing to part with a fair amount for one of these and I suspect it wouldbe best if you were blessed with considerable patience. I think he is working on about a 2 year backlog now. Regards, Bill. | |||
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I had a 25-35 Holland Deluxe double rifle years ago, I sold it and made a killing, I got $1200 for it after I near shot the barrel out of it. I paid $400 plus for it, Lord it was lovely gun...today it would bring $100,000. or more...then there was the M-86 win. still in a wood box from Win. all engraved in 45-90 caliber with a 30" barrel, I got $150 for it..paid $65.00, toda it would fetch at least $50,000 cut a fat hog on that one didn't I, and on and on and on.....hindsight you know. ------------------ | |||
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Try GSI www.gsifirearms.com and look at the Mod 140-1 MERKEL. You will find it by clicking on Double rifles & drillings. They make the 140 chambered for 22 Hornet, and some other small chamberings. The SRP is around $6900, but you can buy them for around $5K,new, if you shop! Also look at the gun list at CAPE OUTFITTERS, I bought My Merkel 140E 9.3X74R there for $4695 NEW, and in a leather luggage case! The mod 140E chambered for 9.3X74R is a quality item for the price. As many have told you here, if you find a S/S double rifle chambered for .22 LR it is going to draw a premium price. These things were custom built for folks who had more money than they knew what to do with, and are now highly sought after collector items. You can figure $50K up if it is a factory of any consiquince! ------------------ | |||
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| <DOC> |
Found a beautiful side by side in 22 hornet at a gun show today for $4500. Such things are around, but I can't see paying that much for a novelty. DOC | ||
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Doc, Methinks you messed in your pocket book, If it had any quality it would bring $10,000 and perhaps 5 times that amount...Can you find this guy? I would like to talk to him. I will pay a very good finders fee to you. ------------------ | |||
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| <JOHAN> |
WOW Double in 22 for charging squirells? that is a new Idea about dangerous game hunting Any in Europe would build If you bring Santa size bag of $$$$. I have seen a double i 5,6X52R in austria about five years ago. Neat gun for charging rats or coons. Try to find a used gun, If possible. No one i Know uses double for hunting Gems in the alps. Kipplaufs and other are common, but no doubles. | ||
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| <DOC> |
I didn't spend any time looking at the rifle in question. It was very small and appeared to be German. I was interested in a 256 Newton he had. The dealer had nothing but excellent quality rifles and shotguns. The was a Purdey 360 NE and a dozen other drillings and doubles. Not really my bag, but there was a German single that held my attention. I was thinking and got a telephone # if you like I'll e-mail it to you. I didn't examine it and couldn't vouch for its condition or quality. DOC [This message has been edited by DOC (edited 12-10-2001).] | ||
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Marcel Thys used to make double rifles for calibers from 22LR up. Don't know if they still do. | |||
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| <Pfeifer> |
I think one of the nicest smallbore doubles that I've seen was one that Boise "buchsenmachermeister" George Hoenig made in 225 Win on one of his first rotary Round action rifles. He had it at the gun shows a couple years back along with a 9.3x74R. Last I talked with him he was working on a larger 20G? frame for the big boys  I will have to see where he is at wrt these. He said that he was intending to build some of the classic British cartridges...subject for another thread!In case any of you haven't seen one of George's Rotary Round rifles checkout this webpage... Jeff P | ||
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| <BMG> |
Wow, this thread got resurected after being dormant for a while! I think the most economical plan of attack on this is to get a EAA|Baikal Model 43, 410 S x S ( http://www.auctionarms.com/search/displayitem.cfm?ItemNum=2461855 ) for $349 + $25 for shipping and get (2) barrel inserts in 22lr, 22 Mag, 22 Hornet, or 218 Bee from ( http://www.mcace.com/shotguninserts.htm ) in the 18" length for $95 + $6 S/H ea. So for under $600 one could have a 'fun' squirrel/rabbit gun. You could even put in just one insert and have a SxS in .22 whatever & .410 shotgun. Use one barrel for runners & one for stationary 'targets' ;-) For a 'novelty' gun, $600 is acceptable, but $5,000 is not (at least for me). | ||
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We had a commercial exhibitor at the ACGG/FEGA show in Reno this year. They had "kits" for building side by side double shotguns and rifles. The cheapest model was a mono block with false side plate. It came with all the metal parts to "make" the firearm. A stock still had to be fitted. The metal also had to be filed and fitted, that included the trigger group, sears etc. The barrels on the monobloc system would be supplied in the caliber you ordered and chambered as part of your work. The gunsmiths at the show were impressed at the material but cautioned that there was a lot of work from this point to something that functioned. They had a show special at 20% off on a shotgun or rifle. The parts for the shotgun was about $650 and the rifle about $800 on the special. You could buy the parts for the rifle as an add on to a 20 gauge shotgun for around $500. A good friend of mine got a 20 gauge and a rifle set in 7X57. The folks who were selling these were buying them as tag ons to contracts in Europe. They said that most of the big manufacturers in Europe buy a lot of these parts from suppliers and then do the fitting. If anyone is interested I will find a the address. I did get their catalog. I did get the impression from the double gun guys at the show that it would be very difficult to complete it and have something that functioned well. That was based on my ability, which is minimal in this area. They said if you knew what you are doing, it is do-able but they time frame is considerable. I suspect with most of us, it would end up like a fiberglass car kit that occupied one side of our garage for some time and just gathered dust. Chic [This message has been edited by Customstox (edited 03-15-2002).] | |||
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Visit Hallowell"s site. They've got a double 22 High power for sale.besto | |||
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Champlian had a lovely double in 30/40 Krag caliber at Dallas for a tidy $10,500. It was plumb cute. ------------------ | |||
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| <bearguide> |
Krieghoff makes a double in smaller calibers like 7x57R, 308, 30-06. I think that's about the smallest you'll find. They don't make very good varmint guns. Price is "cheap" as well, at least for a double. Under $4000 I believe, last time I saw. | ||
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You can contact that outfit for the double parts at crownpress@alltel.net The catalog is CROWN PRESS, CUSTOM PARTS.
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I dunno. I wrote Savage a letter once, begging them to make up a .243/20 gauge over-under. They weren't interested, so I had a .223/20 gauge rebored 6mm ( now 6X45mm/20 gauge ). Krieghoff made some .243/20s, not very many and pricey. Tom | |||
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As some know, I am not a Blaser fan. Nevertheless, I should like to point out that the new (introduced at the IWA 2002) Blaser side-by-side, Model S 2, is available as a Doppelb�chse or B�chsflinte, and that the available rifled barrel calibers include the .222 Rem, 5,6 x 50 R Mag, 5,6 x 52 R, .243 Win. Regards, | |||
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In addition, Heym offer an over-under rifled combination (Gleichbergstutzen Mod. 25 BS) with the following barrel choices, among many others: top: .22 Hornet, .222 Rem, .222 Rem.Mag., 5,6 x 50 R Mag, 5,6 x 52 R, 6 x 70 R bottom: 5,6 x 52 R, 6 x 62 R Fr�res, .243 Win, .22-250 Rem Price: 2650 Euro Carcano | |||
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