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Came across a TV gunsmith program [American Gun ???] The alleged "gunsmith " was doing a trigger job on a S&W - with a Dremel tool !!  DON"T DO IT ! | ||
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Seen some REALLY bizarre things on the TV gun show like the one above and Red Jacket. YeahHHHHHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! When the fear of death is no longer a concern----the Rules of War change!! | |||
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That is probably the number one reason why I think the term "Gunsmith" is a very loose term. Someone asme if I am a gunsmith, I tell them no, I work on guns. Jim Kobe 10841 Oxborough Ave So Bloomington MN 55437 952.884.6031 Professional member American Custom Gunmakers Guild | |||
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Yep I watched that so called Gunsmith. The one that has to sit down at the lathe. That idiot had to thread a carbon fiber 50 cal barrel. He's asking " How can I chuck this barrel? The spindle hole on our lathe is too small & the barrel is carbon fiber. So instead of taking the excellent advice from his fellow smith Kurt to just put the barrel between centers (DUH!) Well numnuts doesn't want anyones input. He knows it all. He takes the barrel to a shop with a larger lathe & chucks up the carbon fiber barrel ON THE CARBON FIBER then proceeds to thread the shank. Well to his suprise it slips! No shit Einstien. The threads are screwed up SOOOO how do these PROFESSIONALS correct that Screwup on a $4,000.00 barrel? The buy a hand die & thread that barrel shank BY HAND with a hand die! If I was that customer I would be raising holy hell! I would not pay them ONE RED CENT for that piece of shit!  Doug Humbarger NRA Life member Tonkin Gulf Yacht Club 72'73. Yankee Station Try to look unimportant. Your enemy might be low on ammo. | |||
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American guns and that other bunch called Red Jacket, Sons of Guns I think are not gunsmiths. Anyone using a side grinder or dremel tool for polishing a trigger are nutts. I have ground my teeth everytime I watched these shows. | |||
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I'm sooo glad I no longer watch tv. A lot of people come up to me and say, 'hey you have to watch this gun show or that gun show on tv', and I usually say, 'Yeah, I'll be sure to do that'. A quality gunsmith, motorcycle builder, guitar builder, logger, etc make for bad TV, they just go to work and make it look easy with little or no drama invloved. Those TV people are not picked for their craftsmanship, rather their entertainment value. ----------------------------------------------------- Do not answer a fool according to his folly, or you yourself will be just like him. Proverbs 26-4 National Rifle Association Life Member | |||
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I am not sure if you call it craftsmanship, but these two have been rebuilt quite a bit!   Personally I hate these shows the drama is way too much, It always starts with “I want you to build me (insert stupid Hollywood gun idea here).  | |||
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And are the best builds of the show ________________________________________________ Maker of The Frankenstud Sling Keeper Proudly made in the USA Acepting all forms of payment | |||
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Those are referred to as "bolt ons" Yeah I called them out on a whole list of crap a while back. got a response of "our gunsmiths are top of the line trained BLA BLA BLA....What do you do???" My friggin god!! I asked if I could have them commission a double rifle build. Or if that was beyond them a simple bolt rifle with double square bridges. No response was heard www.KLStottlemyer.com Deport the Homeless and Give the Illegals citizenship. AT LEAST THE ILLEGALS WILL WORK | |||
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Those shows are geared toward the prurient interests of teenage boys and other tacticool wannabes. The sad part is that the non-gun owning public is getting the idea that gun owners are Neanderthals who lust after bizarre Hollyweird shooting implements, and need to see their targets shatter or blow up when hit. Don't even get me started on the bombastic egotistical 'stars' of those shows. Such drivel!! | |||
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Could not have said it better. www.KLStottlemyer.com Deport the Homeless and Give the Illegals citizenship. AT LEAST THE ILLEGALS WILL WORK | |||
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The "re builds" are sure kinder to the eyeballs than the blob who can't stand up at the lathe. The rest...junk.... | |||
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FWIW, on another forum I was just browsing, Red Jacket Firearsm (Sons of Guns show) has had their FFL revoked for losing several firearms discovered during an ATF audit. They were running temporarily on Vincent't license, but he left the show. Now we can only hope that the "blob's" show will follow suit! | |||
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I am very fortunate to have among my friends a man whose momma did not raise a dumb child. He retired from the Hollywood entertainment scene a while ago (No..not a so called movie star, but more and nuts and bolts guy). He's also an accomplished gunsmith, and of course,a love of firearms. While he monitors AR, does not post. Now and then he points out the error of my ways and ideas,,,not all of them, of course, that would take too long. Roughly stated" These shows are meant as pure entertainment, selling as much advertising as possible. The good side is that they have done probably more to promote firearms in few months than NRA has done in 10 years. He personally knows two people that have done a 180 on firearms as a result of watching these shows" Damn thoughtful! I also see the pawn shows, that almost every episode contains something positive about firearms...you just gotta look past the "impurity" I guess. Might be best to wish them well! | |||
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Duane: I have to agree with you 100 percent, but on the flip side, do you really want a shop like Gunsmoke being the "model" that people who may be getting into shooting for the first time use? I watched one of his shows where he tried to sell a NASCAR driver 7 guns. Among those that were laid out on the table were a Marlin lever gun, a Mossberg pump shotgun, but nothing real high grade. Rich Wyatt offered him a great deal on all seven guns for only 28K, 4K per gun. I really don't want to have gunshops, or gunsmiths like this to represent my favorite past time. Shows like Shooting Gallery, Shooting USA, Davidsons Gallery of Guns, Impossible Shots, TAC TV, Midway USA Gun Stories, and many others are FAR more positive in their portrayel of our shooting sports. You very rarely, if ever, see fake tanks, planes, real cars, fake guard towers, blown up in "spectacular" fashion on any of those shows. On those shows also you don't see the owner of a gunshop take his daughter out to shoot for some "quality time" together by shooting two or three rounds apeice at glass targets, in a very pristine part of Colorado, and then walking away leaving the mess. Yes, I know, the crew will probably clean up after them, but does the new shooter who goes out to copy that behaviour have a crew to clean up? I don't know a lot about the fine art of gunsmithing, but the blob, as you refer to him, has been shown hand tightning a barrel and declariing it safe to shoot since the headspace must be correct if he did it. Again, Duane, not arguing with you, like most shooting shows, but there are some that may be more of a danger to our sport than any help. | |||
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Rick is a smart man Duane. He is spot on. There are a lot of people that know what business I am in but from time to time I run into them and they ask me if I've seen one or the other of these "gun" shows. Suddenly, since seeing it on TV, they are more interested and what I do seems somehow more mainstream to them. Right or wrong, we live in a society that doesn't really buy into something unless they see it on TV. RONCO perhaps? As for Mossbergs, Marlins, and the like, well, it's what buyers want. For the vast majority of gun buyers, a $1000-$1500 gun is an expensive purchase. These days that purchase is much more likely be whatever monotone firearm capapable of putting large amounts of lead down range quickly strikes the buyer's fancy. Most folks don't know a thing about how a barrel is installed and couldn't care less. Those that do, only watch the show with tepid interest. Those aren't the folks that we need to win over. It's those that don;t shoot now but are interested since seeing the show. It's up to US to educate them once they've shown the interest. Yes, I'd prefer less drama, and perhaps more realism, but that isn't what sells. Its the drama and over-the-topness, that interests viewers.  Aut vincere aut mori | |||
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Looks to me like the older equipment was rebuilt. The new equipment just has excellent uplift and support equipment. As to either of the shows mentioned. I class them as pure entertainment. Or at best a "what not to do". As usual just my $.02 Paul K | |||
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Those two have the longest necks that I've ever seen. In Sept of 2011 the daughter was 16 years old. Frank "I don't know what there is about buffalo that frightens me so.....He looks like he hates you personally. He looks like you owe him money." - Robert Ruark, Horn of the Hunter, 1953 NRA Life, SAF Life, CRPA Life, DRSS lite | |||
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