I bought a custom rifle this weekend. It appears to be an original Orberndorf Kurtz barrelled action in 250-3000. It has a solid left sidewall. It still has the roll stamp on the front receiver ring, the roll stamp on the left sidewall in proper position the crests and BU markings. The barrel looks like it came out of the Speed Book. These are rare as hens teeth. How would one know for sure?????

I think there was one at the Tulsa show on a table with a bunch of Clayton Nelson rifles. I am not an expert on them, but it was a short action 98 with a 250-3000 barrel and it did not appear to have been shortened. I believe this one had a thumb cut however.

John

lb404,
There is some extensive testing that can be done to determine if it is genuine. Fortunately for you, I know how to do the testing and will do it an no cost. It does however take approximately 20 years. Send the rifle to ...........

gasgunner, that is the one. It does not have a thumb cut! I have had it apart and can find no weld lines. I bought it assuming it was a 98 that had been shortened to Kurtz. I do not think so now. It is a real sweet rifle. When he wants to, Clayton Nelson can really make some nice stuff. How rare is a solid left wall Kurtz action?

Would love to see some pics! If you see me some, I'll host them for you.

Terry

TC1, will do later today. The rifle she be sweet!

Sent it to me & I will authenicate it for you at no cost.

Some of this info may help.

Mauser Article

There was also a single square bridge Kurz rifle at the Tulsa show, caliber 6.5x54.

lb404,
Congratulations, that is a fine rifle, and I thought quite a bargain at the price he had on it. You must have bought it late in the show as I looked at it sunday afternoon. If you were able to get him to come off his price a little then you really got a good buy. It it a Clayton Nelson stock? I don't recall if the tag said it was or not.

John

IB404, Chuck Grace called me this morning about something else and we got to talking. I knew he talked to Clayton Nelson and asked him if he knew anything about the rifle. Chuck said that if it was the 250/3000 he sold at the Tulsa show this last weekend it was a true Kurtz action. And he did have a table with several of Clayton's guns on it. He had it apart in his shop to burn the lettering on the gun and looked it over pretty good. Hope this helps,

Michael

Lb,
I think one can swab the acion with a q-tip with gasoline on it and that will show up any weld and/or cracks in steel....

Thanks guys. This is the first solid left side wall Mauser action I had ever seen and to find it in a caliber I love is amasing. I traded Garr out of it late Sunday afternoon along with another rifle I liked. I am still on call but I will take some pictures of it and post it for all to enjoy. I also got with the trade a pre-64 model 70 custom by Nelson with the quater rib barrel and a wedding band ring around the barrel. It needed to be blued so it is off for a rust blue job. I'll post some pictures when it gets back.

I wish you would have come by our tables at 15C on the end cap. I would have loved to talk about guns and stuff.

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Originally posted by gasgunner:
lb404,
Congratulations, that is a fine rifle, and I thought quite a bargain at the price he had on it. You must have bought it late in the show as I looked at it sunday afternoon. If you were able to get him to come off his price a little then you really got a good buy. It it a Clayton Nelson stock? I don't recall if the tag said it was or not.

John

Do you remember how much they wanted for it? I missed that one. I was really looking for the guy that had an import rifle stocked by I think Tradewinds. He was at the fall show and had two Kurtz rifles. A bit over priced though.

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Originally posted by fla3006:
There was also a single square bridge Kurz rifle at the Tulsa show, caliber 6.5x54.

$4K, single square bridge, thumb cut, all the markings and stipling, original stock & barrel, looked refinished but professionally done, was in the center of the upper section on a table with lots of express style rifles.

Did you see the ZG 47 custom rifle at Nelsons table? I was really tempted but my good sense took over and I left it behind.

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Originally posted by fla3006:
$4K, single square bridge, thumb cut, all the markings and stipling, original stock & barrel, looked refinished but professionally done, was in the center of the upper section on a table with lots of express style rifles.

Yes, I saw the Nelson ZG rebarreled in 375. There was also a Parker Hale built on a ZG action for $695. Lots of nice guns at that show.