I have personally installed over two hundred
with incredible results.

In my mind there are several very good barrel
makers that are all on approximately the
same level as far as potential accuracy goes
and those include Lilja, Hart, Shilen, Krieger and Gaillard. Should a customer
specify any of these barrels we will gladly
use them as well.

Ross
www.prairiegunworks.com

Check out the 2 morons on the 22-250 thread. Unless they work for some other barrel maker, I'm not sure what they hoped to accomplish.- Bob

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Ray Atkinson

ray@atkinsonhunting.com
atkinsonhunting.com

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Originally posted by sure-shot:
I've had nothing but success with Pac-Nor barrels on my rifles and others. I also like and own Hart, Lilja and Schnieder. There are lots of excellent barrel makers today, we've never had it this good. Seems there are a few out there bashing Pac-Nor lately - whats your opinion?

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I am so darn happy with this group that I have posted it on three separate forums. It represents the 19th through 22nd shots from a brand new Pac-Nor barrel in .270 Winchester, the barrel was contoured to match the original factory sporter contour. They installed it with appropriate action truing as mentioned above. The rifle is a Remington Model 700 BDL, the action was placed back in the stock without any special bedding. Brand new R-P cases, 60.0 RL-22, Hornady 130 Spire Points, Fed 210 primers. Average velocity was right at 3160 fps for the 4 shots. To be honest, it (read I) can�t do this all the time, but I had this rifle out again this past weekend and while sighting in the scope it shot two more three shot groups that my ruler says are about �� and 5/8� � this with holding the rifle in my hands, and not directly on a benchrest. This is my 4th Pac-Nor barrel, two .270�s and two .30-06�s, and all are quite capable of the occasional �� group like above � the limiting factor is the shooter.

As to Pac-Nor customer service, my first barrel, a .30-06, did not seem to shoot as well as I thought it should, grouping just under one inch. Chris, the president and owner, talked this over with me at some length on the phone and verified my shooting technique, bedding and several other possibilities. He said send it back and he would look at it. About two week later it was returned with three targets that had three shot groups in the .6�s and .7�s using Hornady 165 grain BTSP. They even included the rest of the box of Hornady bullets � all this for no charge. Turned out it was the way I was holding the rifle on the bags. After I adjusted my hold this rifle began shooting .6�s for me. It turned in one memorable group of .189� with factory Federal High Energy 180 grain Nosler Partitions.

You will never hear me badmouth Pac-Nor. I am a firm devotee of this company.

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Originally posted by fats:
so jim, are you saying he produces a rifle that will shoot under an inch with factory ammo? sounds like this company is a good thing

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Don't know if I'm the Jim to whom you refer, but...

No, I would not guarantee under an inch accuracy with factory ammo from Pac-Nor barrels. That '06 that fired the .189" group with Federal High Energy Nosler Partitions shot well over an inch when fed
that same High Energy load but loaded with the Trophy Bonded Bear Claws. I remember the Noslers went right at 2940 fps while the TBBC's only hit the upper 2800 fps area in my rifle. The one box of good old factory Remington 165 Core-Lokts that I tried in it got a couple of groups pushing 3/4" but mostly they were around an inch if I remember correctly.

Good ammo is always a prerequisite for good groups. And sometimes a barrel just doesn't like a particular bullet.

But I don't think I'm going out on too thin of a limb when I say that a Pac-Nor barrel will certainly make the absolute most of whatever it is fed.

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Originally posted by fats:
so jim, are you saying he produces a rifle that will shoot under an inch with factory ammo? sounds like this company is a good thing

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I didn't realized shooting under an inch, with factory ammo was a big deal!

I had a Howa 1500 action in a Ramline stock, total cost about $210, 30-06, Federal Premium 165gr Sierra's. 3/4" at 200yds.