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A local gentleman who taught machine shop classes at Boise State Univ passed away recently. He built all of his own rifles and was very good at it. Stolle, BAT, etc. His widow is having a friend sell all of his BR rifles and stuff. He never stamped the caliber on any of them. So all my friend can do is mark the bore diameter on these rifles. I told him to do chamber casts next week. | ||
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I see a lot of that. There was method behind his madness. If the guns were ever stolen they would have to go to a gunsmith for caliber identification. When someone comes to a gunsmith with a boutique action and the owner doesn't know what caliber it is, certain questions get asked and after they are dropped off, certain people get called. He probably wasn't planning on dying quite yet and the fact that the guns were unmarked probably slipped his mind at the time. When I was a kid. I had the stick. I had the rock. And I had the mud puddle. I am as adept with them today, as I was back then. Lets see today's kids say that about their IPods, IPads and XBoxes in 45 years! Rod Henrickson | |||
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Never thought of that but it makes sense. Dave In 100 years who of us will care? An armed society is a polite society! Just because they say you are paranoid doesn't mean they are not out to get you. | |||
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20% of my customers SPECIFICALLY, ask for no caliber designation. They are fine with my old Remington proof mark to identify it as my work for advertising and the Remington, date codes, but no caliber stamping. When I was a kid. I had the stick. I had the rock. And I had the mud puddle. I am as adept with them today, as I was back then. Lets see today's kids say that about their IPods, IPads and XBoxes in 45 years! Rod Henrickson | |||
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My memory isn't that good. I wonder what would happen if I died and the new owner fired a 425 WR in my 404 Jefferys... | |||
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If he took ownership of a new rifle and shot it without verifying what the chambering is/was, he is an idiot and has no business owning a firearm, in my estimation! | |||
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Pretty much everyone knows that not just any piece of ammunition can be used in any gun. Even the really cheap people would rather give a gunsmith $100 than risk blowing themselves up. But there is always that one guy out there that is so cheap and so stupid that he will give up on fear and common sense and do the dumb thing. And that's a good thing too. Darwin based his life's work on that and I would hate to see anyone's life's work go for not !  When I was a kid. I had the stick. I had the rock. And I had the mud puddle. I am as adept with them today, as I was back then. Lets see today's kids say that about their IPods, IPads and XBoxes in 45 years! Rod Henrickson | |||
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Last time I checked in the U.S. the ATF requires a gunsmith with an FFL to mark the cartridge chambered on the barrel. Craftsman | |||
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This one is a 6mm. But, would anyone care to hazard a guess as to how many different length 6mm cartridges between the 6mm Dasher and the 243? IIRC, the answer is at least seven. And then, we can throw in whether the chamber is a tight neck or standard... Can a chamber cast tell you all that? I guess the answer is to not slump over at your bench and be found dead of a massive heart attack by your wife when she comes out to get you for supper. I would have all of mine in my notebooks, and in the computer with a picture... I may end up buying it, but the price I got was less than a new 700 short action and the sleeve. | |||
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"Can a chamber cast tell you all that?" . Yes,,,last time I knew, the neck is part of the chamber. | |||
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DITTO!  Doug Humbarger NRA Life member Tonkin Gulf Yacht Club 72'73. Yankee Station Try to look unimportant. Your enemy might be low on ammo. | |||
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Most of the time if you find guns and reloading equipment, you will usually find loaded ammo, brass, dies and extensive notes. Especially if the guy shot formal matches. Once you have that pile of evidence, a micrometer and a copy of John J. Donnellys book you can usually sort the mess out in very little time at all. When I was a kid. I had the stick. I had the rock. And I had the mud puddle. I am as adept with them today, as I was back then. Lets see today's kids say that about their IPods, IPads and XBoxes in 45 years! Rod Henrickson | |||
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I still find that determining what cartridge an "odd ball" rifle shoots is half the fun. I came real close one time many years ago to really screwing up. I had a customer bring a rifle into the shop. He'd picked it up at some sale. Was a single shot with an unmarked heavy barrel in a heavy target stock with a rail. The action was a from a 1917 Enfield. My first thought was it looked like a .30 caliber and a gage pin answered that question. Next I looked in the breach and decided to drop a dummy round in. .30-06. Swallowed it. Hmmmm, must be a magnum. No dummy cartridges but I did have a headspace gage and sure enough a magnum it was. Well after determining it was a .300 Win Mag the customer didn't want it and I picked it up for what he paid which was about $100.00. Out to the range I go. Have it all to my self. Got on the bench, chambered a round, ready to shoot and ..... Wait a minute. I know NOTHING about this rifle or WHO built it. Plan B. Lash the rifle to the bench, attach a long cord, get behind my pick-up and BANG. Sounded fine. Went to open the bolt and it was as smooth as butter. Looked at the case an the neck was almost none existent and the shoulder had this nice round "S" curve going on. It was a .300 Magnum alright. A .300 Weatherby Magnum. Now all's well that ends well but with a different combination and less precautions it could have been a real mess. Taught me a real lesson. Dave In 100 years who of us will care? An armed society is a polite society! Just because they say you are paranoid doesn't mean they are not out to get you. | |||
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If my wife sold my guns for what i said i paid, she'd be screwed!!! | |||
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Cerrosafe is easy to use and melts in hot water. Anyone can do a chamber cast. Almost anyone. Measuring it and doing the research; ok, I know lots of people whose only measuring tool is a yardstick. | |||
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I guess there is a purpose for those pesky belts after all..  AK-47 The only Communist Idea that Liberals don't like. | |||
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That is the weirdest part, there are no notebooks or loading data turned up yet. I would have thought that for insurance purposes Ron would have had serial numbers, etc, on a disc in his safe deposit at the bank. | |||
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Grab bag rifles.. Are you a gambler? AK-47 The only Communist Idea that Liberals don't like. | |||
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Yeah, some people are like that. I don't record serial numbers or even have a will either. I suppose at some point I may get bored enough to do all of that crap, but right now I just seem to be to busy to bother with it. Still, if his wife or the executor gets someone knowledgeable to go through all of the stuff, the calibers will become evident pretty quick. Having been in the gun business for 35 years and an RCMP firearms verifire I have been down this road a good many times. When I was a kid. I had the stick. I had the rock. And I had the mud puddle. I am as adept with them today, as I was back then. Lets see today's kids say that about their IPods, IPads and XBoxes in 45 years! Rod Henrickson | |||
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Well, Rich- worst case, you do the cast, determine chambering and don't like it. For the right price, any decent firearm provides an opportunity to experiment. Maybe you've got "been there; done that" thing, but If it were me.... Doug Wilhelmi NRA Life Member | |||
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I request mine this way. | |||
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drhall762 Mag in Weatherby chamber are interchangeable aren't they? They must be, I found a whole box of the fireformed rounds at the range one day. Do not think tit is a good lead bullet choice with that short neck. Of course over the years I have found a lot of interesting "once fired" brass. At least one of them out of my gun! Don't limit your challenges . . . Challenge your limits | |||
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They must be. Just like .308 WCF in a .30-06. Sold a former Marine, not busting on Marines but it can happen to them as well, a Brazilian 08/34 in .30-06. Ran in to him a week later and he had put 20 rounds of .308 through it before he looked at the cases. Said it shot real good. Oh well. Dave In 100 years who of us will care? An armed society is a polite society! Just because they say you are paranoid doesn't mean they are not out to get you. | |||
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. Guns are amazingly forgiving in some cases. I know several people who own 300 Weatherbys who have shot nothing but 300 H&H since birth because the ammo used to be cheaper. I also know a long list of Ackley shooters who have shot nothing but their parent cartridges for years. The one that scares me the most (DON'T EVER FAWKING DO THIS, I DON'T ENDORSE OR RECOMMEND IT !) are the guys who own Remington model 700s in 300 Winchester who carry a pocket full of 410 shotshells for shooting grouse while they are big game hunting. The fully enclosed bolt face of the 700 will support the base of the 410 shell and in the event of a case rupture it keep MOST, of the escaping gas from going into your face. As stupid as this practice is, it's done to death up here. R E T A R D S ! When I was a kid. I had the stick. I had the rock. And I had the mud puddle. I am as adept with them today, as I was back then. Lets see today's kids say that about their IPods, IPads and XBoxes in 45 years! Rod Henrickson | |||
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I could actually see trying something like that in maybe a .405 WCF or such, not that it will chamber in a .405 WCF, just an example but I can't imagine the pressure spike in a .30 caliber. As far as dumb customers go, I had one that managed to jam a 9x19mm Luger cartridge in a Norinco clone of a Tokerev TT 30. The gun held together but fortunately, try as he might, he couldn't get a second one to chamber. He actually thought the pistol was a 9mm. The bullet came apart in the bore and left a little dimpled copper ring from the rear of the jacket. There is an old adage about God and Fools that I think applies in a lot of this. Dave In 100 years who of us will care? An armed society is a polite society! Just because they say you are paranoid doesn't mean they are not out to get you. | |||
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As for firing 308s in 30-06, I have done it hundreds of times. In both 03s, and 7.65 Argentines. I would take them to the MG range and blast away with the left over ammo, before I owned a 308. No issues noted. | |||
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Back in the early '70s when I was passing through The NRTC at San Diego, our M1s fired .7.62 NATO. There was this little Naval Ordinance Bushing that had been installed along with some other minor stuff. I see one of the least problems, as has so far been discussed, is shooting .308 WCF in a .30-06 chamber. My points were: A: After I sold it to him and told him it was a .30-06 and had it on the receipt, he still believed it was a .308. B: He managed to fire 20 rounds through the rifle before he noticed. C: He was then surprised it was a .30-06. Some folks just make me wonder. Dave In 100 years who of us will care? An armed society is a polite society! Just because they say you are paranoid doesn't mean they are not out to get you. | |||
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