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Can the gunsmiths amongst us please educate me on the process required to re-barrel a Rem 7600. I understand that it is not as simple and straight forward as re-barrelling a bolt-gun. I live in Australia where we have an abundance of "bubba-smiths" and a paucity of quality gunsmiths. Remington 7600's are getting quite limited here Down Under. Ideally i'd like a full length (22 or 24) barrelled .35 Whelen but those are all well and truly gone with the only .35's left are the 18.5" barrel versions remaining, which as I hunt over a gundog which is usually right beside me, may not be me best option in trying to avoid muzzle blast for the dog. I'd rather this thread doesn't turn in to an advice column for hunting over a gundog, i'd just prefer to learn about the difficulties in re-barrelling a 7600. I have looked at getting it done in the U.S (for around $600) and then was quoted $1500 for the import to Aus rendering the exercise redundant. If it is not feasible I will fall back on a 30/06 with heavy bullets and be done. Thanks in advance. | ||
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It’s similar to rebarreling an AR-15 in that it has an extension threaded to the breach end of the barrel to which the bolt locks up. Headspace is set with the barrel out of the receiver. I’ve never attempted to remove one of these barrel extensions so couldn’t offer any advice on that, but once you got it apart it would be straightforward to replicating the barrel contours and threads. John Farner If you haven't, please join the NRA! | |||
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I did one last fall for 9.3x62. You need a new barrel extension. Yes, it is just like an AR-15 in principle. Very simple and straightforward, once you have the barrel extension. I didn't not remove the old one. Not sure where to get one now. | |||
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So I presume by the nature of your question you have a long action 7600 and want it in .35 Whelen? If it is in 30-06, .270, etc., you could have the barrel re-bored to .35 Whelen. Anyone there that can do that? | |||
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Thanks to all for the education, it is slowly becoming clearer. I do not have the rifle yet, 7600's are not being brought in to this country anymore, the only ones available are old stock. There are plenty of '06's around and a few in .35 Whelen (my preferred calibre) but the only Whelens available are the carbine version in 18.5" barrel which is too short for me to hunt over my dog with. Since seeing some of the replies here I have come to terms with the barrel extension and have located a company in Aus that use to sell them. I have sent them an inquiry and await the response. I am trying to rationalise buying either a carbine in .35 or a standard in 30/06 and re-barrelling to full length (22 or 24") in .35 Whelen. | |||
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P.S, much appreciate the advice and assistance provided by all, thank you. | |||
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We have a healthy rebore market here in the USA on the remington760 to the whelen. You already know that a ‘06 and 220 Rn works pretty well too. Hope you find what you need! "The liberty enjoyed by the people of these states of worshiping Almighty God agreeably to their conscience, is not only among the choicest of their blessings, but also of their rights." ~George Washington - 1789 | |||
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I have replaced the barrel on a 7600. It is a simple straightforward job. I would however advise you to just snatch up a 30-06 and use either 165 or 180 grain Barnes bullets. They work well and will shoot through every critter Aus has to offer. Even dropping to 130 grain Barnes bullets you will still be unlikely to recover one in an animal. If you shoot them end to end or corner to corner you would have a better chance of catching a one in an animal, but I would not bet on it. There is nothing in North America I would hesitate to shoot with Barnes 130s out of a 30-06. | |||
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I don't believe that company in Australia makes them anymore as I check into this awhile back. Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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What the 06 or 270 will do to game is irrelevant; the man wants something different and unique. To which I can sympathize; I will not carry an off the rack rifle into the field. Except for double rifles. Back to the barrel extension; I have been told that they are easy to remove. | |||
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I've done several in the past when the barrel extension was available from Limly arms . They were from down under. I don't see them listing the extensions any longer. You can get the extension from a 7600 barrel and use that.  Doug Humbarger NRA Life member Tonkin Gulf Yacht Club 72'73. Yankee Station Try to look unimportant. Your enemy might be low on ammo. | |||
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Lumley have confirmed that they don't do the barrels, or extensions ,any longer. Kindly, they still responded, almost immediately, to my inquiry and forwarded contact information for the company that bought all their tooling etc. That company is TSE, a barrel maker, located here in Aus. I have also contacted them and await a response. I take on board the advice provided by members regarding the effectiveness of a 30/06. I've had two in my lifetime and hunted fairly extensively with both of them. Nothing wrong with an '06, I agree, and IF this re-barrelling becomes too expensive or too difficult then yes I will SETTLE for an '06 BUT my preference is for a .35 Whelen and because I hunt over a gundog then I would like a full length barrel to decrease the level of blast she is exposed to, that's all. Thanks gents. | |||
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"There are plenty of '06's around and a few in .35 Whelen (my preferred calibre) but the only Whelens available are the carbine version in 18.5" barrel which is too short for me to hunt over my dog with." A sound moderator would work perfect with a 18" barrel to save your and your dogs ears. | |||
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I used the Lumley extension to rebarrel my 7600 to 338/06. My go to woods gun! Doug Humbarger NRA Life member Tonkin Gulf Yacht Club 72'73. Yankee Station Try to look unimportant. Your enemy might be low on ammo. | |||
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Get a new dog that doesn't mind the noise. | |||
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HUH? (You can't fix stupid) Falls of Rough Ky University Our victory cry is FORK U! | |||
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You missed the part where the reason he wants a custom 35 Whelen barrel is because of the noise, for the dog. One course of action that would solve the problem, would be to get a new dog.
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I'd sooner stick a spoon handle in my eye rather than getting rid of my dog. Sorry, no deal. If trying to re-barrel to full length doesn't work out settling for a '06 might just be the least painful option. It's just a bit frustrating when a product that sells well, functions well and is well suited to certain applications is suddenly dropped from production for no obvious reason. | |||
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I didn't say get rid of your dog; I said get a new one that liked noise. If you were here, I would already have a 35 barrel fitted to your rifle. I keep .35 blanks on hand. | |||
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Paul, strange dilemma. Here in the states, the 18.5" Model 760 and 7600 "carbines" sell at a significant premium to the normal 22" rifles. | |||
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God bless America ! Frustrating that I can't get a simple tool like a 7600 pumpy in the standard configuration ! The carbines were all the range down here, in my neck of the woods, especially so amongst the hound crews were shooting deer from a bail-up at 20 - 30yds the Rem 7600 pump in Whelen reigns supreme. My problem is that i'm hunting over a gun-dog that is by my side for most of the time, scenting and then indicating. I don't want to blow her ears in to next week. Only just last week I fired two shots from my 9.3x64 directly over her head at about 20yds and she didn't even flinch. She got real worked up wondering what the heck I was shooting at, but I want to try and avoid those circumstances where she is close by hence wishing for a 22" tube. I'm constantly frustrated by firearms companies that bring out a serviceable product that sells well and then they discontinue it for no valid or apparent reason. | |||
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suppressor on the "18 | |||
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Not legal here Down Under ! | |||
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Paul Different tack on a solution for you. Buy a carbine 35 whelen pump and load it with the Lyman 35809 or copy cast bullets over 30-31 grains of imr 4759 or equivalent of 4227 even using aa2015 at listed loadings and your muzzle blast goes way down as does the animal you correctly hit with it. If your hunting over a dog long range is not an issue for you. "The liberty enjoyed by the people of these states of worshiping Almighty God agreeably to their conscience, is not only among the choicest of their blessings, but also of their rights." ~George Washington - 1789 | |||
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Here is another solution; thread on a barrel extension; a tube larger than .35 caliber of course, and the gases will have a place to slow down and be quieter. It can be as long as you want. | |||
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Thanks again to all of you for the advice. dpcd, that has actually been suggested to me once before. Called a "blast tube" not rifled but a larger than bore size straight tube threaded on the end of the barrel which is technically NOT a suppressor but a blast "deflector" which is meant to direct muzzle blast forward and not to the sides. Certainly has merit. | |||
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I made one for a 38-40 using a piece of .45 caliber barrel and extended it ten inches. If you look into the barrel you still see rifling. Just a little step half way down.... | |||
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That's a great solution DCPD. An expansion Chamber! I use the Ruger supplied "Barrel Weight" extension instead of the Muzzle Break to add a little length and "hang" on the barrel of my 260 but never thought of it as an expansion chamber as it obviously is! Thanks for the thought! "The liberty enjoyed by the people of these states of worshiping Almighty God agreeably to their conscience, is not only among the choicest of their blessings, but also of their rights." ~George Washington - 1789 | |||
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Well, I have just received a response from the company that Lumleys sold all their tooling to, TSE and they have confirmed that, for a cost, they can supply a .35 dia barrel at any length (up to 24") and chamber for .35 Whelen fit to a 7600 pump. All up cost including the chrome molly barrel, chambering, barrel extension and blueing around $800. No doubt more than the gun is worth but to have what suits my specific circumstances it is worth it to me. Thanks to all for the education. | |||
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That is why custom smiths make a living. | |||
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Wow, for $800 you could buy 2 Rem 7600s in the states are at least almost.. Explain shooting a rifle over dogs, not familiar with that, only shooting shotguns over dogs for birds..Would that be for hogs? ..Anyway Im not sure an 18 inch 06 would be much worse than a 22 inch 270 or 06..Ive shot both but Im not sure what the dogs thought about it, didn't seem to bother them, but I was shooting Mt. Lions, bobcats, out of a tree or off a rock bluff in each case.. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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I had JES Reboring rebore a 30/06 barrel to 9.3X62. It feeds from .30/06 magazine like a dream. They can do 35 Whelen too. About $200. The big problem is export. Quick, Cheap, or Good: Pick Two | |||
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Strangely I had not heard that the only 7600s in 35 Whelen sold here recently were carbines. My son's has a 22-inch barrel and I think those with the plastic stocks that followed did, too. Serviceable second-hand ones turn up from time to time, so I would just ring around the shops and keep an eye on the SSAA and other classified websites. As with deer hunting, the search can be an adventure in itself. If you are willing to consider one that's been carried a fair bit, a mate of mine who is unwell might be willing to sell his. PM me straight away or in about two weeks if that appeals. | |||
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I ended up buying a little used full length 30/06. Full length .35's are just getting too hard to find in this country. For this year I will use it as it is. Loaded with 220gn Core-loks it should serve my purpose adequately. At the end of my hunting season, which is when it starts to warm-up and the snakes come out, I will then decide if I want to invest in re-barrelling to Whelen. We shall see. Ray, in answer to your question, I have a German Wire-hair pointer. She has been trained to wind scent, locate and indicate the presence of deer in thick scrub in mountainous terrain. She generally works close at heel until she detects "hot" scent. Then she may travel 30 - 40yds in front to follow that scent and finally indicate when the deer are near. I am hunting bush so thick you can easily walk past them at 5yds. I am particularly sensitive to the muzzle blast issue after having my previous gun-dog go off the gun after a shot. I acknowledge there may not be much difference between 18.5" and 22" but it makes a difference in my mind and the full length rifle shoulders and fits me better than the carbine version anyway. So anyway the new pumpy is on its way to me now should have it in a few days, just picked up a Leupold 1.4-4x20 Hogplex illuminated to mount on top. Should be a light, portable package to carry over the dog. Cheers all, thanks for the input. | |||
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The 220gr Core-Lokts were apparently the favorite fodder for the 'hound hunters' Woodies in days of yore. They equal the 35's 250-grain bullet in velocity and are not far behind in energy; and what they lack in frontal area they make up in penetration. Your concern with noise is legitimate - we need to put that muzzle blast as far in front of us as reasonably possible. Wearing earplugs might be OK for the first 10 minutes of duck opening but not in sambar hunting, where you might go days without firing a shot but need to hear any audible clues a deer may give. | |||
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Interesting as long as Ive been around in the hunting business I never heard of hound hunting over dogs for big game, makes since to me..live and learn, you never get to old to learn.. I hunted elk one year with a mod 760 in 35 Whelen or it may have been a 7600 with a 760 corncob stock. It was a beat up gun but a really shot nice groups at under an inch for 3 shots. Nice old gun. Most of those old 760s and the later 7600 shot very well indeed, right up with a good bolt action. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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