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Well...trying to provide information without "advertising" is a bit of a challenge! Bottom metal is (or should) be designed for each family of cartridges. What works plumb swell for a 375 H&H, will not work for a 404 Jeffery. Oh: you can sorta make it work, but the proper 120 degree stack just can't be accomplished with a "one size fits all" approach. The Mauser system was a pretty cartridge specific system..Steve and I made the commitment to make "families" of catridge size as specific as possible within the constraints of the M-98 Mauser dimension. Then...we decided to use the bar stock...not out of leaded material, not out of structal steel, we said ""no welds or soldered joints", no constraint in size of bar stock..just make the best damn bottom metal possible! We chose the alloy 1018. Manfacturing must have "numbers" (A lot of pieces) to make a profit We find the magic number at "36" A new cnc machining center was installed last week..it's a Haas "mini mill" we will use this to produce smaller numbers (10 or so) to fit special needs that we see a market Any comments and ADVICE would be appreciated | ||
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And very nice bottom metal it is. Anyone who claims the 30-06 is ineffective has either not tried one, or is unwittingly commenting on their own marksmanship Phil Shoemaker Alaska Master guide FAA Master pilot NRA Benefactor www.grizzlyskinsofalaska.com | |||
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I will advise you to make trap-door grip caps without the machined cavity. I would think that you might be able to sell a few. Jason "You're not hard-core, unless you live hard-core." _______________________ Hunting in Africa is an adventure. The number of variables involved preclude the possibility of a perfect hunt. Some problems will arise. How you decide to handle them will determine how much you enjoy your hunt. Just tell yourself, "it's all part of the adventure." Remember, if Robert Ruark had gotten upset every time problems with Harry Selby's flat bed truck delayed the safari, Horn of the Hunter would have read like an indictment of Selby. But Ruark rolled with the punches, poured some gin, and enjoyed the adventure. -Jason Brown | |||
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I just received mine for my Browning Safari .458WM on Friday last and am simply awed by the quality. This is FAR superior to any of the other specialty bottom metal I have had/seen and is as close to "perfect" as I can imagine. My suggestion for further styles would be to do a complete series for, what else, the Pre-64 Mod. 70. I would LOVE to see a type that would offer the 4+1 capacity in a non-"drop" style, such as that used by D'Arcy Echols and, I think, Gene Simillion on some of their custom rifles, this for whatever Mod. 70 actions would be suitable and for belted mags. I have this "itch" for a 4+1 .338WM that would fit into an Echol's "Edge" stock and weigh no more than 8.25 lbs., Brockman's peep, Talleys and Leupy included. | |||
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I got mine from Duane last Monday and am very impressed with the quality. It will go on a Springfield and with measurements taken, should work fine with just lowering the front boss a bit. Good to have someone who can supply these without a waiting time! | |||
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Exactly - M70 bottom metal with proper mag box geometry for the belted magnums would be awesome. Now if you'd do this with a Burgess inspired trigger guard that would be the bees knees! | |||
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THis is what I need as well! I need a long magazine (.300 WBY) non-drop 4 round magazine for a pre-64 M70. Anyone else needing soemthing like this? Let's see if we can drum up enough business for a run of this style bottom metal | |||
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Small ring metal---Mexican/swedish/  It's great to see that it is coming together for you. In stock parts....Wahooo  Having to keep inventory on things I don't even need yet just so I can have it when I do...Well good riddance to that. Hope it all works as smooth as you imagine it. | |||
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My ADVICE is to get back to building rifles (one 416 in particular). ______________________________ "Truth is the daughter of time." Francis Bacon | |||
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I'm still trying to find one piece bottom metal for the 96 Swede with the 09 Argentine style floor plate release. Email or PM if you can help. Regards, WE | |||
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Still looking foward to the small ring mauser TG for the Mex 1910/36.Prefer your style of TG bow. Thanks Bob | |||
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Duane, I for one really like your updates. I am waiting on some $ to arrive, soon as it does I'm in for a M98 Standard depth unit for a 9.3x62 and an M98 Drop Box for a 404 Jeffery. What about cartridge specific or cartridge family specific followers? Especially for the likes of the 404 Jeffery. Heck I'd take two each for the 9.362 and 404 Jeffery, just to have extra one as a spare! If the followers came from you we would know they would fit your mag boxes exactly like they should! Allen It's a Mauser thing, you wouldn't understand. | |||
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Duane, please let us know when you make a run of standard 30/06 M-98. I will be needing one! Thanks, Lee. DRSS(We Band of Bubba's Div.) N.R.A (Life) T.S.R.A (Life) D.S.C. | |||
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Trez, std 98 bottom metal will work on the vz33 & g33/40. No need to wait.   Aut vincere aut mori | |||
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My bad, I knew that, as I just did it recently. That's what happens when a wood nut starts talking metal. That's why I have guys like Mark Stokeld help me out. Suffice it to say that I have a Mex that needs bottom metal and just included other small rings into the mix without a lot of thought. | |||
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Been there, done that. I've been guilty of engaging the mouth (keyboard) before the brain on more than one occasion. I'll be needing three Mex bottom metals soon myself. Aut vincere aut mori | |||
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Duane, I just noticed in another post that you are not planning on building Mexican bottom metal as they are being made by Blackburn and Sunny Hill. Was that just something you wrote for the moment? Is this old information? Are you planning to make them sometime or is this not a money maker? It would seem that there would be money to make there but I'm sure the numbers used are a lot less than 98 and model 70 metal. I'm sure you have done the market research that I haven't. Hope you all the best. | |||
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As Customstox recently stated to me, Duane has forgotten more about gunsmithing than I (myself)know, and I cetainly agree with that, so I have no advice. I would just like to comment that this thread is extremely instructive in explaining the dilemmas that oftentimes surface when purchasing custom products from small suppliers. On the one hand the customer wants a specific part at a specific time becuase the customer doesn't want the carrying costs of buying parts and holding onto them until the day when they are ready to use them. On the other hand the supplier has the same carrying costs and an additional problem in that many parts of the same type have to be made in each run in order to be profitable, which automatically increases carrying costs. Its probably just as frustrating for the supplier to have to tell a customer that they do not have a part on hand as it is for the customer to not be able to have a specific part shipped to them right away. Obviously, the best scenario would be for each supplier to make as many parts as they can sell and no more, and for each customer to be able to order a part and have it sent when they need it. Another way to solve the carrying cost problem is with the use of a retailer. But in small lots they eat into profits or make the cost higher for the user, or both. Its a good thing that we have so many choices. Hopefully all of the suppliers can continue to supply all of the parts that folks want when they want them at a fair price that will still make them a profit. On a final note, I bet a supplier could sell a bunch of 1917 Enfield bottom metal if it were offered at an affordable price. | |||
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Duane, 1936 Mexican type. The next couple would excite me, as pea-rifles don't often get much attention with bottom-metal and it would be interesting to see if there was any interest in it: What about a run of bottom metal for Brno .22's Model 1/2/5 where the 5-shot factory mag is held under a straddle floorplate, with a suitably styled trigger guard. Ditto for the later mini-98 Mauser .22's - I bet a pile would come out of hiding for turning into custom rigs if the nice bottom metal showed up.............. | |||
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Sign me up! I've always wanted a "big-bore" looking 22, and proper bottom metal is the weak link. | |||
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Who did the M52 hinged bottom metal. I'd go for one a those. Rich | |||
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At the risk of the roof falling down! I personally have just had delivered a Haas mini mill for use in my own shop. I plan to use this smaller machine for limited runs of ...whatever.. the main shop has begun the Enfeld | |||
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Good question: We just have to look at bottom line numbers...Both CNC Specialities and Sunny Hill are making fine bottom metal for the Mex. No sense in overfilling a need. In another post, I mentioned the acquisition of a Haas Mini mill...this machine will be devoted to the smaller demands. Hope I didn't make a stupid decision...right now, if you express even an interest in new machinery, the president of the company is sending you flowers!...just another house payment, I guess! | |||
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Duane, When you mentioned the Haas Mini Mill, I had never heard of one. It sounded like it might be a neat "little" mill. Ya it's not LARGE but it isn't exactly a cheap little bench model, I looked. There shouldn't be any risk of lower tolerance work coming from that machine. I wanted one until I saw that the "mini" is $20,000 - $30,000 used, with the low end being quite used. That should be a great addition to your shop. Knowing that this is one of your smaller machines and having an idea how expensive tooling can be, puts the cost of custom bottom metal into perspective. Enjoy your new purchase. | |||
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Sorry if I missed a previous post, but is there a link to your new bottom metal? I'm looking to put a new set on my soon to be 9.3x62 VZ24. Thanks Dave | |||
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His link is http://www.soundmetalproducts.com/ | |||
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