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I sent an e-mail too Dakota but have not got any reply. I have read about this machine but the info is pretty scare. There are 2 moddels i guess the long one is what i need but how long stocks can you duplicate in it. And how tihgt and accurate is this duplicator. If i understand it right the Hoenig is the best but is impossible too buy an the second best is the Dakota machine. So if the mebers whit experiance of this things could help me it would bee great  Or if ther is som other brand i would look at?Thomas | ||
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Call Terrco in South Dakota. They just did an eight-spindle for me, with tilt heads, and it works great. Send me a pm with your email address and I'll send a picture or two of the machine. Walt Hampton | |||
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Thomas, there is a Hoenig for sale in Oregon right now but the owner wants $20K for it. The hoenig is more accurate but it also is slower to duplicate a stock. The Dakota is a good machine. You can make vertical plunge cuts on both the Dakota and the Hoenig. The hoenig has an additional axis so it can move vertically. On the Dakota, you can unlock the head and the stylus will guide the cutter in a vertical direction. Sounds like that Terrco will do that too. That is pretty important for precise work. The difference between a 95% inlet and one from a Dakota or Hoenig is about 20 hours of inletting. BTW, their long one is really long. The standard model will do a rifle stock, even a full length stock. Paul Dressel has one that is 8 or 10 feet. Not sure which length but it is a monster. From my understanding, Dakota only ever made 2 or 3 that long. Paul said he rarely used the full lenght. For the life of me, I don't know what would use the whole length. | |||
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Hmmmm, what's a double spindle, that is single stock duplicator, Dakota worth these days? xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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well new they sell for 10-14k depending of model. The price for a used i do not know. Thomas | |||
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Well i guess that its not the long one i would need  the only Hoenig i have only seen it on a real crappy photo but then they had an extra support that was moveable an was running on bearings looked like a smart thing. The most important things are that the build is steady an that cc on spiders tail-stock and the cutter and follower are the same or in the tenth of a mm. If those are of it will never do good and the real problems come when you turn the stock for carving the mag area mismatch then will double that error in mismatch. I have one small Italian made copy carver that works but it only takes short stocks. It got 2 engines one i going backwards too help preventing vibrations.One bad picture  | |||
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Why 8-10 Ft. long and what is it used for ?. Most likely column carving replication just a guess on my part . I have a back knife Lathe with 102" C too C , 20" swing for similar purposes . Lockable indexing head with a modified traversing radial arm saw and a pattern stylus detail cutter . That uses 3/8" X 3/8" tool steel insert cutters . It turns wood or metal . I've often looked at stock duplicators but realized it's an investment for production replication work . Pretty costly for a hobby machine , considering what a blank can be duplicated for . IMO . | |||
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Doc, I have no idea why they made it so long. Paul Dressel is pretty proud of it and I doubt he has ever used much of the length. With Don Allen being gone, we will probably never know why it was made that way. | |||
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What is that is it possible too copy asymetric forms whit it? Thomas | |||
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HErre is a pic of the Hoenig I took a few years ago.  | |||
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by BaxterB: HErre is a pic of the Hoenig I took a few years ago. Hold on a sec while I resize it... well its still big but you can see some detail | |||
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Holly banana Bob BaxterB ; Could you get a larger picture of that thing so I can take 1:1 scale dimensions off of it !.  Nice pictureI'm only kidding . A back Knife lathe doesn't use a stylus type of cutter it uses a Knife or a pattern knife . It basically drops onto the whole turning at once or sometimes slides down the back side of the turning , such as making Bats for an example .   Mine has a radial arm saw which drops down onto the turning and can be traversed the length of the lathe bed . I also have a router which fits onto the same arm that the radial saw motor set in and it turns at lockable angles and also traverses the lathe bed . It uses same linear bearing slides as does the saw . On the front side a have linear variable drive which adjusts up and down and traverses the length of the bed . This uses a 3/8" square X 3" or 4" length insert cutter , some are tipped others are shaped tool steel . This can be used manually or self feeding like a metal lathe uses , except mine goes in and out the entire length of the bed but not like a metal lathe cross feed . This cutter can follow a Masonite, plywood ,cardboard ,paper what ever material template doing detail work . I built mine for making Large columns for custom wood working shops for commercial case work custom wood projects or homes . I borrowed the above pictures as most all of my wood working projects are on 35mm slides . | |||
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Doc, A freind called today and saw my post here and spoke to Paul Dressel at the SCI show in Reno. It seems that once again a guy overestimated th length of something. The distance between spindle heads on the Dakota is only 64 inches. Paul did say that the frame was a bit larger but I screwed up. He has enough length in the duplicator to do a large full length muzzle loader stock. | |||
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Baxter tanks for the pic it looks too be a well built machine. Doc no i understand what a back knife is. Customstox 64 inch long well its not a small carver he got Thomas | |||
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After a long time i stumbled over this machine http://i128.photobucket.com/al...glund/9418464877.jpg built in Italy in the mid 80s whit hydralic turning of the spiders an high frecency motors. It has 4 motors at 18000 rpm and if you turn the motorbar you got 4 ones running 12000 rpm. And it ways 1700 kg so its bigg and steady. I now just hav too have the electrical conected so i can test run it. And the best was the price  | |||
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Come now, don't tease us like that! How much are you stealing it for? Jason "You're not hard-core, unless you live hard-core." _______________________ Hunting in Africa is an adventure. The number of variables involved preclude the possibility of a perfect hunt. Some problems will arise. How you decide to handle them will determine how much you enjoy your hunt. Just tell yourself, "it's all part of the adventure." Remember, if Robert Ruark had gotten upset every time problems with Harry Selby's flat bed truck delayed the safari, Horn of the Hunter would have read like an indictment of Selby. But Ruark rolled with the punches, poured some gin, and enjoyed the adventure. -Jason Brown | |||
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Due to my lack of stock carving ability I am seriously thinking of building a stock duplicator. For me building one would be easier then investing a few grand in a used machine and I could build it as rigid as needed www.KLStottlemyer.com Deport the Homeless and Give the Illegals citizenship. AT LEAST THE ILLEGALS WILL WORK | |||
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4000 us dollar ink taxes. | |||
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And you can do 4 stocks at a time!?! Jason "You're not hard-core, unless you live hard-core." _______________________ Hunting in Africa is an adventure. The number of variables involved preclude the possibility of a perfect hunt. Some problems will arise. How you decide to handle them will determine how much you enjoy your hunt. Just tell yourself, "it's all part of the adventure." Remember, if Robert Ruark had gotten upset every time problems with Harry Selby's flat bed truck delayed the safari, Horn of the Hunter would have read like an indictment of Selby. But Ruark rolled with the punches, poured some gin, and enjoyed the adventure. -Jason Brown | |||
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You bet I forgot 2 engines run cunter clockwise to reduce vibartions so it is all special. Now im on the hunt for a Assymetric copy late then iam set. | |||
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a new hoenig is $20,000.00 | |||
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Om du er intereseret fins en 2/3 spindlig GEIGER i Danmark Den klarer 2 kolvar udvandigt på 20min, klar for puds. Med möjlighet for båda högra och vanster på samma mall | |||
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Here is a picture of the machine that the students built at TSJC in 1993. I helped with the dimensions and the students got paid for their work. It can be made for less the $1000 and will do about 95% of the work in about 1 hr. I have remade the CD's and added this machine to the original machine which I made in 1983. It operates similar to most duplicators and you can make as much improvements as you like to make such as a steady rest to hold the stock pattern and blank still. Some will say that this little machine is not accurate enough. It depends on the operater to make the stock very close and then the skill of the stockmaker to make a fine stock from the routed blank. I have made several stocks from this small machine. I only routed the stocks for my shop use. I also had a plan that I would not checker a stock unless I made the stock.  | |||
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Det låter intresant vart och till vilket pris? | |||
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Är det du som har den? | |||
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vi har 2 stycker utom en 5 akslig Bildet er från en av vora kunders hemside. Du får kontakta meg på PM om du er reel intereserad av den vi har som reserv | |||
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 Jason "You're not hard-core, unless you live hard-core." _______________________ Hunting in Africa is an adventure. The number of variables involved preclude the possibility of a perfect hunt. Some problems will arise. How you decide to handle them will determine how much you enjoy your hunt. Just tell yourself, "it's all part of the adventure." Remember, if Robert Ruark had gotten upset every time problems with Harry Selby's flat bed truck delayed the safari, Horn of the Hunter would have read like an indictment of Selby. But Ruark rolled with the punches, poured some gin, and enjoyed the adventure. -Jason Brown | |||
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Sorry went a bit carried away. | |||
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Smart it showa that its possible too build a working copycarver at a low cost. You hve som smart solutions on this one. Thomas
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Poor devill dont you understand the new basic language on AR it is a mix of Danish and Swedish  Translation is possible by Google | |||
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