Am looking at building up a light 458win on a M98 but would like a four round magazine.
What options are there?

Duane Weibe has recently posted here that he will be producing these after this coming Christmas, IIRC. Given who Duane is, that is all one need say bout this, I am getting one to customize a nice Browning Safari FN-LE from 1964 I bought.

This is to be altered to "Grizzly" specs, 22" tube, Recknagel irons, have Leupy QRWs on it and a Leupy 2.5 Compact Matte HD scope. I will use either an altered synthetic or maybe a Serengeti laminated stock and try for 10 lbs. all up.

I'm loading 400 and 450 SAFS and with AA2230 in WW brass, CCI 250s and this is meant for stopping assertive bears.

Ted Blackburn makes them as well. CNC Specialties located in Levan, Utah.

Sunny Hill appears to have them. www.sunny-hill.com

Good Luck,

RCG

Thanks for the reply's guys.
Hopefully I can have one shipped to Aus with out too much fuss.

CNC Speciatly Products,
formerly Blackburn Machine has produced a large quanity of triggers for the 98 Mauser.

There are many functional parts on a rifle that are as important as the trigger, but none more so. The best sights and the most accurate barrel are next to useless if the trigger has a creepy, uneven letoff.

Blackburn triggers are totaly machined. They have no stamped or cast parts. Our housings are milled from aircraft quality aluminum or steel.

Blackburn single stage triggers are made for the most discerning riflemen. The recommended weight adjustment is from 2 to 4 lbs.

Phone 435-623-1388
Email: cncspecialty@netzero.com

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Originally posted by ozhunter:
Am looking at building up a light 458win on a M98 but would like a four round magazine.
What options are there?

I would like clarity of this discussion. Is a four round magazine for a 458 Win on a 98 Mauser a drop box magazine? I mean, is the magazine deeper than standard, requiring a special stock?

Thanks, KB

Well, I'll try to clarify...A properly designed flush magazine can hold four rounds. We (Sound Metal Products) have given re birth to the "coffin" style floor plate for the Enfield..this same principle could be applied to the 458, say..in a 98 Mauser. Our next run (Jan 09) will include the pot belly (or extra deep) and yes, a new stock would be required Maybe...just maybe we'll explore the waters for a coffin style.

The basic problem is that other makers of bottom metal really want to say within the constraints of 1 1/4" thick bar stock.....I say "screw that" let's use thick enough bar stock to do the job...hell...the CNC machine does all the work anyway!

Thanks Duane.

From time to time, I have wondered about the four round capacity issue, knowing the magnum CZ solves it with significantly more weight. I had a light and handy 458 once, and thought I didn't need it, so I sold it. Now I miss it. I really don't want a beefy rifle. I don't care if a smaller, lighter, shorter 458 kicks more. I load it according to what I can stand, and that varies too. With a good recoil pad, and a good stock, it's surprising how the full power loads can be tolerated, but not necessarily enjoyed. But the point of a 458 is to get the job done - - period.... Although recoil is always an issue, it can be secondary if you NEED a 458.

So, I have been willing to give up that fourth round down, to get the lighter rifle. Honestly, I can see the need for the extra assurance only in a place like Africa. With a 458, if I can't drop a close range brown bear or moose with the first shot, then I have phucked up, and maybe, just maybe, I can salvage the situation with the second round, but generally speaking the fifth round is moot.

I'm just curious what others think about this topic, so that's why I'm butting in.

Thanks,
KB

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Originally posted by Kabluewy:
Thanks Duane. I have wondered about the four round capacity issue, knowing the magnum CZ solves it with significantly more weight.
I really don't want a beefy rifle. I don't care if a smaller, lighter, shorter 458 kicks more. I load it according to what I can stand, and that varies too. With a good recoil pad, and a good stock, it's surprising how the full power loads can be tolerated, but not necessarily enjoyed.
Thanks,
KB

Same excuse for me.
I want a light 458 loaded with 480grn bullets for hunting Elephant.
I have found a couple extra rounds a handy thing. In particularly after you have dropped an Ele and given it an insurance shot, at the same time avoid having the rest of the herd find you and extract revenge.
Its hard to reload fast and quietly in such circumstances.

I would go NUTS over a Mauser 98-FN "coffin" style 4+1 mag. box for the .458WM and the .338WM, just bonkers! This would solve a LOT of problems for me in my next few rifle projects.

I DO see a practical use for this in Grizzly country and currently have a P-64 custom "shorty" in .375H&H for this use, largely because it holds five shots and is slim around the action to carry with one hand.

Jack Turner, of Hagensborg, B.C. was attacked and chewed up by four young Grizzlies just a couple of years ago. He survived the encounter, but, if it can happen to a genuine mountain man of his caliber, it can happen to anyone. The extra shot is, IMHO, worth having and the "coffin" style floorplate would allow for this in a less bulky stock, a "win-win" situation.

Oh, I see. The "coffin style" is about the floor plate.

I also have a Winchester 70 in 375, which my gunsmith fixed to hold 4 + 1. I like it. Very smooth feeding. I think all he did was replace the follower.

KB

CNC Specialty Products makes a 458 in standard depth that hols rounds. It is our model #17.
Maggie
CNC Specialty Products
435-623-1388

Would you please clarify this? I once talked to Ted Blackburn on the phone and it seems to me that his mag boxes for such rounds WERE "drop" style and thus required a deeper stock, which is what I WOULD like to get away from, if possible.

As I understand it, the "coffin" shaped floor plates, as on Brno ZKK-602s, were actually a Rigby (the real one) development and this type would fit MY needs perfectly.

I would surmise that ANY "non-drop" 4+1 mag box for a round like the .458WM would NEED substantial machining of the action below the feed rails and I do not want to have this done. This is how Winchester did the P-64 rifles for the two H&H rounds and their feeding is because of this and their sharply tapered case.

I have now had about three dozen of these rifles and have tried all sorts of combinations and even the factory modded H&H ones will not feed 4+1 rounds from factory mags., they must have new drop mags.

Maybe you have something new on this?

Hey Dewey: We don't have them yet. but have designed the box on a STANDARD depth magazine to hold four rounds.. the extra deep (2MX) will hold five...you got a "six shooter! I'd like to see other's wade in with the "coffin" style floorplate idea??

Duane, I would definitely take one if it was a standard depth magazine with a "coffin" or Rigby style floor plate and would hold four down.
Mine would be in .375 H&H.

I have some pictures of a couple of pre war Holland & Holland rifles in .375 H&H and .300 H&H I could send you to show you what I am trying to duplicate.
It might help be sure that what I am thinking of and trying to describe is the same as what you or others are thinking.
Because I could be wrong as to what I envision or call a "coffin" or Rigby style floor plate.


I would post them here but I still haven't gotten the picture posting thing down yet.

Or I can e-mail them to someone else if anyone would like to post them for me.

Allen

Picture posting is pure witchcraft! Why don't you send it to me direct...cgrs@earthlink.net or beter yet, duane@customgunandrifle.com...thanks much!

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As I understand it, the "coffin" shaped floor plates, as on Brno ZKK-602s, were actually a Rigby (the real one) development and this type would fit MY needs perfectly.

I saw one of these recently made by Rechnagle (sp) and imported by NECG. Tip Burns was installing it on a rifle. It was very nice but very pricey for just a floorplate. E-mail or call Tip for details.