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Duane asked that I post these and he will answer your questions. This post is a contuation from the one in the Bigbore forum. Below are photos of the magazine design. The "4" and "5" configuration are only for display of capacity purposes. In real life, the follower will take up the space of one round. We stress that there are no action modifications needed. The bottom line of the stock remains at standard depth. You most likely have to remove some stock material in the magazine box mortise and you must replace the magazine spring (the one with the loop) We have replacement followers and springs. Everything should be up on www.bottommetal.com shortly.    One morning I shot an elephant in my pajamas. How he got into my pajamas I'll never know. - Groucho Marx | ||
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Sorry, but have to ask the question. Have you noticed any feeding problems with the change? Mink and Wall Tents don't go together. Especially when you are sleeping in the Wall Tent. DRSS .470 & .500 | |||
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Thanks loud-n-boomer, they look the goods. Best wishes, Chris DRSS | |||
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Fair question..never occured to me to assure that there is NOT a feeding problem. The action is not modified in any way. The extra round capacity of there because I changed the geometry of the box. From the front, the box is wider at the bottom (a trapezoid, if you will) The rear of the box is same as original. In the engineer's wisdom, they tried to make this a "one fits all. The rear is plenty wide enough for belted magnums, narrow enough at the front for smaller cases, but still wide enough to reasonably feed most larger cases. "Reasonably" is the key word. More than two rounds underneath, everything gets "pigeon toed", jams, and nothing feeds. The trapezoid section at the front of my modification gives the bottom rounds enough room to stack properly | |||
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I had the privilege to try out a prototype version of Duane's mag box and am happy to report that the design works as promised. The box will allow 4 down comfortably with H&H rounds and feed beautifully. I tried both of the followers that Duane sent, along with a Wisner Magnum follower for a Pre-64 and a current production Winchester H&H follower. It will take a little bit of care to open the magazine mortise in the stock to fit the box, but it is not a big deal. | |||
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Duane- i need a full bottom metal (floorplate, Trigger guard and mag box) for a pre-64 M70 in .300 Weatherby. I also want it to be standard depth (not requiring a "drop box" type bottom metal). Are making/going to make this? Thanks! | |||
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so not only the 4 rnd'r but the 5 also fits flush with stock? Not like the Williams which sticks out abit on my Mickey? | |||
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This is only a magazine box, not bottom metal. It works with factory bottom metal or can be modified to work with Duane's aftermarket bottom metal. It probably would not work without a lot of effort with Williams bottom metal. | |||
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thanks for clearing that up.....awesome! | |||
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Here is a question I have for Mr. Wiebe If such really nice, heavy duty, magazine boxes as the ones you are making can be made, then why is it necessary to make integral boxes on mauser bottom metal? Or, in other words, why couldn't the winchester bottom metal system be used for Mausers so that 1. The bottom metal itself would be less costly and easier to make. 2. One could change around the magazine box on mausers without having to change the entire bottom metal. | |||
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Marc: Your best bet would be Sunny Hill. At present, we do not have plans to make an integral design | |||
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Cas II: I think the only modification to work with ours or Williams would be to shorten the box vertically. Although: I'm not absolutely certain of this. Might take some work on the bottom metal "rails"....I sent back the "borrowed" actions, so can't check this out first hand | |||
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22WRF: What you're suggesting has been done. For instance, the CZ 550. My partner and I talked about making such an offering, but the "drums" seemed to veto the idea | |||
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I will take some pics to show what I am talking about. Basically the Williams has a recess cut in the "rails" allowing the original box to set down into the bottom metal where other aftermarket units require the box to be shortened so it rides on top of the bottom metal. | |||
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That is some really nice stuff there, Duane! I have a 300 win mag project that I would love to use your mag box on if it could work with the Williams bottom metal w/o a lot of work. CAS II - if you could show some pics of what might be involved with this, that would be awesome! Bob | |||
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Duane Any thoughts on using this modification on the 300 RUM case. I picked up a Mod 70 300RUM classic and would like to go from 3 to 4 rounds if possible. Thanks Brad  | |||
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Thanks for the lead Duane! Will call Sunny Hill this weekend. Will also call about the Williams unit with the inside the bow release. Does anyone know if WIlliams ia actually making and shipping bottom metal in a timely manner? | |||
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I am a bit confused....old age and all that..., but, are these to fit P-64s or the newer Classic and FN MOd. 70s. Can I buy these, install them in my quite minty P-64 Alaskans, now in Rimrock, Brown and Micky stocks and, using your follower, convert these rifles to 4=1 with NO mods to the actions????? This has been a dream of mine since I can recall, a standard depth stocked P-64 in .338WM that holds 4+1 and feeds as it should. I have four of these rifles, plus a sts. Classic in .338WM and a Dakota 76...do you make these for the Classic and could they fit the Dakota action without a lot of hassle? A good crf .338WM without an awkward dropmag stock bottomline and with 4+1 capacity is my dream rifle and what I would choose over anything else for hunting here in BC. So, what's the score? I am very excited by the stuff you guys are making and love the Mauser mag. I have from you. | |||
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Dewey,,,this is my take on this,
I too am waiting for these to get built and ready for production and will buy 2 of em for my other pre-64's | |||
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These boxes are not meant or designed for the pre 64...they for the post 64 magnums. They will not fit pre 64's | |||
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I need help! I have an old Winchseter catalog...don't know how old, but it shows the Model 97 shotgun and Model 98 cannon! The M-70's claim 5 plus one in 06 and 4 plus 1 in H&H. I seem to remember that all the belted magnums held four down...Am I wrong? | |||
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Duane Only the 300/375 H&H magazine held 4 down the others Std Mags i.e. 264, 300 Win, 338 and 458 held only 3 down | |||
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Thanks DARCY...Now...wonder if there's a market for the same kind of conversion? Anyone? | |||
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I think that a fair number of P-64 users might well want to buy mag. boxes of this type for their .338s, etc. I certainly would and am going to buy one from you for the Classic sts-.338 that Ralf is currently improving for me for a "truck-backpacking" rifle. I cannot say how many guys would buy these and do not know what the production costs are, so,it is impossible to estimate if they are a financially viable product for you to offer....that said, this is among the most exciting rifle products I have encountered in almost 53 years of shooting and "gunaholism" I prefer a .338WM-250NP over anything for bush working and hunting in BC and the extra round IS a very good thing to have available, especially when you can have it and still use a trim, light synthetic stock for a total rifle weight of 8.5 lbs in a .338WM. So, I hope you can do it and make a few bucks on the deal. | |||
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Hi Dewey: This week end, we'll do a little experimenting...Oh ..I know it CAN be done, the transition from box proper to action mortise will take a little thought. I've had the profile lasered and they can go up to one inch...so that's the least of worries. | |||
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Duane I presume the Classic box for a 375H&H fits right in with your 2W bottom metal? Cheers, Chris DRSS | |||
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Well..I can't answer that truthfully. The rails on the guard assembly take up about 3/16"., so the bottom of the magazine box would need to be trimmed an equal amount. If you have one of our guards ( or even brand X)::Here's an offer you can't refuse: PM your contact information I'll send you a trimmed box and if it works, you can pay me..if it doesn't, just trash it. | |||
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Duane, on a slightly different note, how is the M70 follower project coming? Just curious. Larry "Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading" -- Thomas Jefferson | |||
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Duane, that is a very kind offer. I have posted you a PM. It maybe better to get the full size one and have my gunmaker trim it. Then I can let you know. Seems a waste if the trimmed one doesn't fit. Best wishes, Chris DRSS | |||
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Damien Connolly and I sat down with this a couple of days ago. Duane's M70 box for the 375 H&H is 4mm wider at the front, 0.5mm wider at the rear. All other dimesions are the same. Looks like it will feed ok as similar to factory box. As Duane has stated, the unit will need to be shortened in height for other bottom metal to fit the rails on the guard assembly. This will vary depending on who's bottom metal you use. I have Duane's 2W bottom metal. The box fits straight into the D'Arcy Echols Legend stock designed for D'Arcy's wider magazine box. To me the conversion is worth the extra round. I also bought the follower and spring from Duane. Both excellent made units and the follower loads first round from the left rail, much easier in my opinion that from the right. Hope this helps. Best wishes and happy new year, Chris DRSS | |||
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Rocdoc, I thought Damien was moving to the USA. He is an unbelievable craftsman. Butch | |||
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Hi Butch. Yes. I will let him discuss that at some stage. He will most likely be at the show in Reno. Fabulous craftsman. Cheers, Chris DRSS | |||
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