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I need to buy a throat reamer with the correct angle for a 30 cal 210 Berger. Suggestions?

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Bullet noses are secant or tangential ogives. A common throat angle is 1.22 degrees for the 30-06.
I don't know the type of nose for that bullet but you should ask Berger and order a reamer to match.
 
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Gotta keep in mind that different angles can result in different throat lengths
 
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Lilja has a good discussion of this on their website along with some calculations for different bullet designs.

Generally speaking 1.5 degrees is a common leade angle on benchrest reamers. However, throat depth is probably more important.

What I have seen on the topic is all over the map from 1 to 3 degrees and everyone has their reasons. Some claim accuracy, others claim pressure, and still others claim throat life for whichever angle they choose. Or some combination.

I would talk with Berger, then talk to Dave Manson. Between those two sources, you will have talked with the bullet guys and one of the top reamer makers.

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In my experience, this angle can be a deal breaker.

I had a brand new Brand X reamer for 270 Win, built a rifle for a client...wouldn't shoot worth a s....! Actually replaced the barrel twice with same results. Client was not happy and indeed lost all faith in me, never built him another rifle.

This scene was almost repeated a year or so later with another client. I replaced the barrel but used my old Hartford reamer..viola! damn near a tack driver

Brand X at that time used a "universal leed angle", which was somewhat different than SAAMI.

New reamer from JGS and I was back to being able to turnout accurate 270's.


Like to point out that this was many years ago, Brand X has since abandoned the universal leed angle.....but I still lost a good customer!
 
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Yup. Throat depth is an issue. I see this bullet needing at least .35 off the lands. My main objective is getting the base of the bullet ahead of the neck/shoulder junction and avoiding the dread doughnut.
 
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Why do you want it to jump over 1/3rd of an inch? Just curious.
 
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Here is a table from Lilja:

THROAT ANGLES IN DEGREES FOR VARIOUS OGIVES

30 CALIBER: (.300″ BORE DIAMETER .308″ GROOVE DIAMETER)
7 CALIBER TANGENT -- 1.74 degrees
8 CALIBER TANGENT -- 1.63 degrees
9 CALIBER TANGENT -- 1.54 degrees
12 CAL SECANT .75″ LONG X .07″ MEPLAT -- 3.40 degrees


I don't know what the ogive is for the Berger 210 grain bullets (they have two shapes) but I'm sure Berger can tell you.




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Sorry about that. Should read .035.
 
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Most thoaters are 1 degree 30 minutes.



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