Kimber action vs. Win. M70 action

14 March 2007, 20:12

Buck3

I have heard that the Kimber actions are very close to the Win. M70 actions.

Is this true?

How do they differ?

15 March 2007, 00:21

DavidReed

The big difference is that the Kimber is a round receiver a'la Remington and uses a similar washer type recoil lug. Whereas The M70 is a flat bottomed side-rail type receiver with an integral recoil lug.

15 March 2007, 01:54

Masterifleman

Yes, they are and I believe the major difference is the bottom metal, which is all one piece.

I admit to not having had one out of the stock, and bow to Mr. Reed's knowledge but what I did say about them was accurate. The bolt and the safety are at least, look alikes as is the claw extractor.

15 March 2007, 04:45

mudstud

To me, any similarities between a Kimber and a Model 70 CRF are purely superficial. Yes, they are both CRF with three-position safeties. So is the Ruger M77 Mk II.

Besides the afore-mentioned differences in the action bottom and recoil lug, there are other major differences, IMHO.

One, the trigger. The Model 70 has a unique trigger, being simple, rugged and reliable. The Kimber trigger in no way resembles a Model 70.

Two, the Model 70 features a field-strippable bolt, with out any tools required. I've looked at Kimber bolts, and danged if I can figure out how they come apart, course I'm a slow learner. But whatever, in no way do they resemble a Model 70, in this feature.

No doubt, there are many other design features one could come up with that are different. The Kimber is it's own design, it is not a Model 70. Why do Kimber owners want to believe that a Kimber is a Model 70 clone? A Kimber most definitely is not a "clone". If an individual wants a Model 70, get one, or one of the actual clones, like a Dakota or an MRC, or a Hein. If someone likes their Kimber, fine and dandy, just quit worrying about if it's a Model 70 in disguise. Cause it ain't. IMHO of course!

15 March 2007, 05:30

340Wby

quote:
Originally posted by mudstud:
To me, any similarities between a Kimber and a Model 70 CRF are purely superficial. Yes, they are both CRF with three-position safeties. So is the Ruger M77 Mk II.

Besides the afore-mentioned differences in the action bottom and recoil lug, there are other major differences, IMHO.

One, the trigger. The Model 70 has a unique trigger, being simple, rugged and reliable. The Kimber trigger in no way resembles a Model 70.

Two, the Model 70 features a field-strippable bolt, with out any tools required. I've looked at Kimber bolts, and danged if I can figure out how they come apart, course I'm a slow learner. But whatever, in no way do they resemble a Model 70, in this feature.

No doubt, there are many other design features one could come up with that are different. The Kimber is it's own design, it is not a Model 70. Why do Kimber owners want to believe that a Kimber is a Model 70 clone? A Kimber most definitely is not a "clone". If an individual wants a Model 70, get one, or one of the actual clones, like a Dakota or an MRC, or a Hein. If someone likes their Kimber, fine and dandy, just quit worrying about if it's a Model 70 in disguise. Cause it ain't. IMHO of course!

Well said & true IMO.

Also the Kimber recoil lug is a slip-in type,Remington is joined between the action & barrel.So Remington is better to my way of thinking.Model 70 & the likes of the Mark V have a LARGE CHUNKY LUG integral with the action,many others don't.Why because it cost allot more to produce.

Saying that I think Kimber set-up in a whole is a fine system,a clone to the venerable Model 70 No WAY.

15 March 2007, 05:42

Paul from nz

mudstud, to pull a kimbers bolt to peices, well to basically pull the guts out all you do is fully cock the bolt, put the safety in the middle, take the bolt out of the action and unscrew it by keeping a hold of the shroud and the main part of the bolt. thats the easiest bit to take off really.

15 March 2007, 06:30

340Wby

quote:
Originally posted by Paul from nz:
mudstud, to pull a kimbers bolt to peices, well to basically pull the guts out all you do is fully cock the bolt, put the safety in the middle, take the bolt out of the action and unscrew it by keeping a hold of the shroud and the main part of the bolt. thats the easiest bit to take off really.

Sounds very easy & simple,perfect.

15 March 2007, 06:43

Bill Leeper

What do you mean when you say the recoil lug on the Kimber is a "slip in type"? The ones I have looked at were clamped between the barrel and receiver just like the Remington. One dofference is that the Kimber lug is recessed into the front of the receiver so it doesn't turn when the barrel is installed. Pretty clever, I thought.
The early Kimbers were somewhat similar to a M70 but the new models bear no resemblance. Regards, Bill.

15 March 2007, 06:51

DavidReed

With respect field stripping the bolt, one detail that Kimber is missing is a bolt sleeve lock. Maybe I'm being finicky but I could see if one is not careful that the bolt sleeve could loosen from the bolt body if the removed from the rifle in this condition. Just a thought...

15 March 2007, 07:06

340Wby

quote:
Originally posted by Bill Leeper:
What do you mean when you say the recoil lug on the Kimber is a "slip in type"? The ones I have looked at were clamped between the barrel and receiver just like the Remington. One dofference is that the Kimber lug is recessed into the front of the receiver so it doesn't turn when the barrel is installed. Pretty clever, I thought.

I stand corrected

,I'm sure the were the slip in type.Anyone have a pic of this????

Thanks for the info.

340.

15 March 2007, 08:07

djpaintles

Sorry that some of these pics are a little blurry but I think they might answer some of the questions asked here:

Again sorry some are blurry but hopefully you can see that the Kimber disassembles like an M-70 except that it uses a Detent ball to hold the pin in alignment instead of a slot. You hopefully can also see how the front of the recever covers the top of the separate recoil lug etc...........................DJ

15 March 2007, 08:20

Chuck Nelson

15 March 2007, 08:38

340Wby

Great shot Chuck

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Yep that's a very solid recoil-lug design IMO

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dj,looks to be a very simple bolt-strip

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All in all these Kimbers seem to have the goods from what I can see.

340.

15 March 2007, 17:03

Buck3

Thanks for all the great info.

Buck,