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24 February 2013, 15:35

Ohier

Argentinian 1909?

Is this the one everyone talks about? The numbers on the barrel, bolt, and receiver are matching. No trigger, haven't disassembled the bolt yet. It is marked as .30-'06.

Thanks,

Tim

24 February 2013, 16:43

Wink

Given its condition, should we assume you are trying to sell this?

24 February 2013, 16:49

Ohier

Wink: How would you rate it's condition? I don't know if I want to sell it, as I don't know what it's worth.

There is a part of me that wants to build a rifle on it.

Looking for a general opinion of what it's worth and what you all think of the condition.

Many thanks,

Tim

24 February 2013, 18:23

D Humbarger

Ohier need a good photo of the bolt face. The condition is very important in reguard to overall value.

24 February 2013, 18:35

Glen71

So the military 7.65 barrel has been rechambered to 30-06 (technically 7.65 x 30-06)?

24 February 2013, 18:40

Ohier

My camera is not the best. Is this ok or should I try harder???

http://i655.photobucket.com/al...0135_zps3c9e74ad.jpg

24 February 2013, 18:49

fla3006

Those that were converted to 30-06 had the fronts of the magazines lengthened. Make sure they didn't take too much out of the floorplate near the hinge pin, leaves a small unsightly gap.

24 February 2013, 19:01

Mike in Michigan

Disable or cover the flash to eliminate the glare.

24 February 2013, 21:43

tin can

It's hard to find a mark X with a crest like that, tho

Surprised there's no notch cut in the receiver ring for the '06 conversion- or do I have the wrong Mauser in mind?

24 February 2013, 22:18

Ohier

quote:
Originally posted by Glen71:
So the military 7.65 barrel has been rechambered to 30-06 (technically 7.65 x 30-06)?

The barrel number matches the receiver and it's marked as an '06. Good point about the cost required to bring it up to speed. The actual rifling in the barrel does not look too bad.

24 February 2013, 22:25

D Humbarger

Bolt face is good.

I would bet that those were rechambered without taking the barrel off the action. Shoot it. You may be suprised at the accuracy. What others have said. It is MUCH less expensive to just buy a Remy700 etc. Especially when you also consider the face that it is ALWAYS best with the 1909s to have them rehardened. Then the work begins. $$$$

24 February 2013, 22:41

Ohier

I think I will offer it for sale. Is $300 fair?

Thanks to all.

25 February 2013, 06:17

gzig5

quote:
Originally posted by Glen71:
So the military 7.65 barrel has been rechambered to 30-06 (technically 7.65 x 30-06)?

I have one of these that was re-chambered to 30-06. It is still in full military dress, numbers matching. I haven't shot it yet, but the bore is in very good shape. I've heard that they can give good accuracy with the correct diameter bullets. I think mine will some day become a 9.3x62 or another larger bore. Something fun and out of the ordinary.

25 February 2013, 06:17

gzig5

quote:
Originally posted by gzig5:
quote:
Originally posted by Glen71:
So the military 7.65 barrel has been rechambered to 30-06 (technically 7.65 x 30-06)?

I have one of these that was re-chambered to 30-06. It is still in full military dress, numbers matching. I haven't shot it yet, but the bore is in very good shape. I've heard that they can give good accuracy with the correct diameter bullets (.312"?). I think mine will some day become a 9.3x62 or another larger bore. Something fun and out of the ordinary.

25 February 2013, 20:18

artshaw

On the Griffin & Howe website in the used rifle section there is a pair for sale, 100% original, 99% condition (even have muzzle caps !) with consecutive serial numbers ! $4000 for the pair, hopefully they will never be altered.

25 February 2013, 20:44

fla3006

quote:
gzig5: I have one of these that was re-chambered to 30-06...I've heard that they can give good accuracy with the correct diameter bullets.

They shoot much better when loaded with .311 bullets (303 British).

Here's a nice original (not mine): 1909Arg

25 February 2013, 21:55

Leo L.

I had mine rebarreled for 6MM Rem. in 1967. It's a perfect fit.

26 February 2013, 18:42

Don Markey

quote:
Originally posted by Ohier:
I think I will offer it for sale. Is $300 fair?

Thanks to all.

Yes fair price. You should get close to that at a gunshow or auction. I've picked them up for less and also paid more. If you are close to the MI border, I'll offer you $250 cash.
Don

03 March 2013, 04:47

Fal Grunt

DO NOT ASSUME it is .30-06. I know the barrel is marked as such, but that is NOT necessarily true.

I have one in the shop right now that was going to be sporterized for a customer. He asked me to shoot a few rounds through it to see how it grouped to decide whether to barrel or not.

.30-06 was not even CLOSE to chambering. 7.65x53 chambered just like it should.

Another I sold a customer and he brought it back after trying to fire it. It WAS opened up to .30-06, but was poorly chambered. He had to almost beat the bolt out as the chamber allowed the case to swell behind the neck.

Those may be the only two in existence I have the best of luck. Just a word of warning.

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03 March 2013, 20:27

D Humbarger

quote:
I would bet that those were rechambered without taking the barrel off the action

As I said.

05 March 2013, 03:52

A7Dave

Watch GunBroker to figure your price.

Here's a beauty. I let one like this go for way too little money. Still kick myself.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Aucti....aspx?Item=331327849

A mint 1909 will go over $600. Depending on the condition (looks like yours was blued, the originals were high polished in the white), $300 would be reasonable. At least half the value in the action is the bottom metal with the hinged magazine plate.

06 March 2013, 04:26

dpcd

Back in the 70s, Sarco had them brand new in the packing cases, with test targets, for $100 (I was there but forgot the exact price). Of course, 100 then was like $500 now.
I have had them in 30-06 and that sometimes causes the lug seats to set back; the 09s are not hardened that much. But I use them in customs; one in 404 Jeff.

12 March 2013, 04:12

fla3006

quote:
dpcd: I have had them in 30-06 and that sometimes causes the lug seats to set back; the 09s are not hardened that much

A common complaint, also 1908 DWM Brazilians. Be sure to re-harden.

12 March 2013, 04:19

butchlambert

I bought a dozen a couple years ago and shared them with Wiebe and Forrest B. Don't think they were very expensive.

13 March 2013, 07:06

Ohier

Thanks for the great info. I got my price out of it, and am happy to pay yet another gunsmith bill....

Regards,

Tim