A washer between the action and stock -- is this normal?

01 August 2003, 11:01

The Birth Controller

Is it "Remington normal" to have a steel washer around the forward action bolt - between the action and the stock?

Disassembled my Rem700 VLS-SA to change triggers last night and saw it. It's bent to sit flush in the curved forward action area.

TIA

Mike TBC

[ 08-06-2003, 05:19: Message edited by: The Birth Controller ]

01 August 2003, 11:51

triggerguard1

Never seen that one before, but you should get rid of it. With time and money permitting, a good glassbed job would be in order on that rifle too.

01 August 2003, 12:47

The Birth Controller

Matt,

I just read "on another Forum" [Smile]

that Remington puts that in there to "keep the magazine from binding".

And ... that removing it will also cause accuracy problems.

Comments?

TBC

[ 08-01-2003, 03:48: Message edited by: The Birth Controller ]

01 August 2003, 15:06

<RVB>

I've done this a few times to see if removing the pressure point on the barrel would improve accuracy. But it is only a very temporary thing. I can't believe the rifle came from the factory like that.

02 August 2003, 11:00

rootbeer

Nice macro photo...

02 August 2003, 11:19

wallyw

quote:
Originally posted by The Birth Controller:
[QB]Is it "Remington normal" to have a steel washer around the forward action bolt - between the action and the stock?

Disassembled my Rem700 VLS-SA to change triggers last night and saw it. It's bent to sit flush in the curved barrel channel.

TIA

Mike TBC
QB]

A quick factory "fix" for a bottomed out bedding screw.

Wally

02 August 2003, 12:49

triggerguard1

Well, you gotta couple of things that could be going on there, but they definitely picked worst damn way to deal with it. If the bedding was done too deep on both the top and bottom, you could squash the mag box between the bottom metal and the receiver. This would cause accuracy problems, but shouldn't effect feeding. If in fact they made the screws too long, this would be the quickest fix, but like most of the logic in the gun factories, that's not what you want to do.

The best thing that I can suggest is to throw it into the nearest garbage can, and begin the bedding process that will include bedding the bottom metal as well. When all the bedding is done, whether it be pillar or not pillar bedded, you should be able to reach inside the magwell, with the mag box installed, and get somewhere around .015"-.030" play in the box. Keep in mind, this is after you have completely bedded your rifle, and torqued the action screws to their proper amount, which is not neccessarily a set number. It does depend on the particular rifle, but definitely very snug. If the actions screws bottom out, then they will need to be ground down the proper amount to fit, but please don't put the washer back. That makes me kringe just looking at it.

02 August 2003, 15:09

The Birth Controller

Matt,

I'm going to pillar bed the action with Score High's Kit.

I wrote the previous owner about the now infamous washer, but he hasn't replied yet. [Roll Eyes]

I'll post when I know something new about it.

Thanks for your posts!

Mike TBC

quote:
Originally posted by triggerguard1:
Well, you gotta couple of things that could be going on there, but they definitely picked worst damn way to deal with it. If the bedding was done too deep on both the top and bottom, you could squash the mag box between the bottom metal and the receiver. This would cause accuracy problems, but shouldn't effect feeding. If in fact they made the screws too long, this would be the quickest fix, but like most of the logic in the gun factories, that's not what you want to do.

The best thing that I can suggest is to throw it into the nearest garbage can, and begin the bedding process that will include bedding the bottom metal as well. When all the bedding is done, whether it be pillar or not pillar bedded, you should be able to reach inside the magwell, with the mag box installed, and get somewhere around .015"-.030" play in the box. Keep in mind, this is after you have completely bedded your rifle, and torqued the action screws to their proper amount, which is not neccessarily a set number. It does depend on the particular rifle, but definitely very snug. If the actions screws bottom out, then they will need to be ground down the proper amount to fit, but please don't put the washer back. That makes me kringe just looking at it.

02 August 2003, 17:26

Bobby

I can't imagine the factory using such a "fix" for improper inletting of the stock.
I can say this much, if it's found out to be that the factory did use such a "fix", I can assure I'll never buy another Remington. I'm already avoiding them because of their quality problems and inaccuracy of the last couple I've shot. This would only seem to make me even more suspicious of their work.

[ 08-02-2003, 08:27: Message edited by: Bobby ]

03 August 2003, 00:20

D Humbarger

Remingtons version of pillar bedding? [Roll Eyes]

03 August 2003, 05:38

wallyw

quote:
Originally posted by D Humbarger:
Remingtons version of pillar bedding?

The "Remington Washer" may just become the latest must have improvement for the Model 700 [Smile]

Wally

03 August 2003, 08:55

triggerguard1

quote:
Originally posted by Bobby:
I can't imagine the factory using such a "fix" for improper inletting of the stock.
I can say this much, if it's found out to be that the factory did use such a "fix", I can assure I'll never buy another Remington. I'm already avoiding them because of their quality problems and inaccuracy of the last couple I've shot. This would only seem to make me even more suspicious of their work.

I wouldn't get too concerned about their quick fixes. If you knew half the crap that the manufacturers use to get the rifles out the door, you wouldn't by one from any of them.
Fixing their shoddy workmanship is a way of life, and keeps the gunsmiths from starving. Hell, without their stupid ideas and techniques, our jobs would vanish. What need would there be in purchasing a custom rifle?