Was wondering which is better in the long run. If just looking at cost, I would think the Aluminum Bedding to be Superior, but wanted to get some opinions first. The rifle shoots consistently into 1.25" and has better potetial.

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Originally posted by Hunt4Life:
Was wondering which is better in the long run. If just looking at cost, I would think the Aluminum Bedding to be Superior, but wanted to get some opinions first. The rifle shoots consistently into 1.25" and has better potetial.

Hunt4Life, I'll let you know when my H-S Precision stock comes in next week. Model 70 has factory wood stock, now. Not bedded, shoots .7moa out to 300. To answer your question, I'm partial to ABBs, I guess. I mean even if all the Composite material fell off, you still have a bedding block that stretches from grip to forend. Jay

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Originally posted by Hunt4Life:
Was wondering which is better in the long run. If just looking at cost, I would think the Aluminum Bedding to be Superior, but wanted to get some opinions first. The rifle shoots consistently into 1.25" and has better potetial.

There you go thinking again!

Anecdotal arguments not withstanding, ALL machined parts (including bedding blocks and receivers) are made within certain dimensional tolerances. Therefore, anything advertised as “drop in†must be made with a certain degree of “gap†in order to be a one-size-fits-all product.

It is literally IMPOSSIBLE to get the degree of uniform fit from a one-size-fits-all machined bedding block that you can get from a form fitted glass bedding job that is unique to your particular receiver.

That being said...it is totally up to you to decide if you and your particular rifle actually need that custom fitted bedding in order to shoot to your satisfaction.

It is not a big deal to “skim-bed†an aluminum block, so the issue will no longer be an issue unless you want to make it one.

I am confused as to how you know that your rifle has “better potential†than what you are getting. What are you basing that belief on?

Basically because I have not fiddled with muliple brands of ammo. I have basically used Remington Extended range(Now D/C) and now Remington Express. With them, I have shot over 20 3 shoot groups at no more than 1.25" some less but none more. If I needed better accuracy or if I had to consistently shoot out to 300 yds, I am sure I could get it under moa through trying multiple loads or bedding.

Thanks for the Tips. By the way, all Rifles have better potential through trigger work, bedding, customized loads, and practice.

Regards,

H4L

In the case of pillars,the action is sitting on a much larger surface area than with the v-shaped aluminum bedding blocks.In fact many gunsmiths now skim bed the aluminum bedding blocks.

FWIW, I've talked with Josh @H-S, and he stated that H-S has experimented with accuracy results using the "normal" H-S stock, then bedding the same stock, and getting no gain in accuracy.

Torquing the H-S stock to proper specs, whether it be 65inlbs as H-S suggests, or to 55 in front, 45 in back as some have found to give the greatest accuracy, will give you the desired results on par with a full bedding job. Jay

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Originally posted by Jay Gorski:
FWIW, I've talked with Josh @H-S, and he stated that H-S has experimented with accuracy results using the "normal" H-S stock, then bedding the same stock, and getting no gain in accuracy.

Torquing the H-S stock to proper specs, whether it be 65inlbs as H-S suggests, or to 55 in front, 45 in back as some have found to give the greatest accuracy, will give you the desired results on par with a full bedding job. Jay

What you describe is a condition where what is actually taking place is a slight deformation of either the block or the receiver when placed under a specific torque. In short...the two pieces are being forced to fit together by the applied torque.

That would result in either the receiver or the block, or both being placed in a condition of stress that would not otherwise be present.

Perhaps that makes no difference...but I do not believe that a receiver in stress will have the inherent accuracy/repeatability of one that is not.

One-size-fits-all is a great idea for some things, but IMO rifle stocks are not among them.

Well the stock is coming from Weatherby's Custom shop. So it is somewhat "one size fits all" but not totally. All I wanted was to get rid of the Tupperware Stock that is on it and maybe upgrade accuracy if possible.

Thanks for the Help Everyone.

hunt4life i bought a weatherby stock for my vanguard 270 sm it looks very much like my h-s which ilove, the only thing i don't like is the big hump in the forend that applies pressure to barrel, oh well nothing a lil sandpaper and a dowel can't fix

No two receivers are exactly alike dimensionally, even after precise and careful blueprinting. Because of this, I tend to prefer traditional benchrest-style pillar bedding over aluminum bedding blocks.

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I pillar bed the rear screw of the flat bottomed recievers like Mausers and just glass bed the recoil lug area.

I just made an Alluminum V block for a round rifle reciever. Lots of work.

When I purchased my Rem VS I didn't notice the lack of a gap on the left side, and the big gap on the right side of the forend. After a big runaround with Remington, they took the rifle back and ground, sanded, whatever you want to call it, the right side of the V-Block. When I took the stock off to discover this, it kinda pissed me off. I wanted them to screw the damn barrel on straight,(That was the real problem) yeah right, they're going to do that. Well, I tried.
So, I had it full length bedded, 1.5" ahead of the recoil lug, back to the tang, still doesn't fit perfect like my other H-S stocks, but it's a perfect mate with the receiver, now.
Bottom line, it doesn't shoot any better now than it did when it wasn't bedded.

The guys that say, you must bed, it's the only way, thats "old school", I don't suscribe to that method. Everytime I've pulled a H-S stock off a receiver, the receiver is making perfect contact with the ABB, if I didn't see perfect contact, then I'd "bed". Jay

Assuming no drastic warpage, any round piece of material will always make contact (somewhere) when placed in a v-block. The question is... is the contact/pressure evenly distributed before and after torquing them together.

If the contact is slightly more at a certain point that area is going to receive more pressure when torque is applied because the torque is going to try and pull the lower points together and the higher points are going to receive more pressure in the process. This is exactly how a “pressure point†under a barrel works. As the action is pulled down into the stock the higher spot in the channel under the barrel applies upward pressure at that point. And that is also why an awful lot of rifles with pressure points under the barrel change POI when they get hot.

No type of bedding is going to fix a rifle that has the barrel threaded on crooked so that’s a pretty lame argument for one type of bedding over another.

Bottom line...a guy should use whatever he feels is the best product/procedure for him and his rifle.

Pillars are cheaper, but you still have to epoxy bed the recoil lug area for even stresses side to side. If you have wood between the pillars and your humidity varies widely, some shifting of impact can occur from summer to winter, also. Bedding blocks also have to be skim coated with epoxy while gently snugging the action screws for stress-free bedding, so they're not a cureall, quick fix, either.