Just curious - if you ever needed to bury your guns to keep the government from getting them - how would you protect them? Can you buy cosmoline? Would you wrap them in something?

Maybe grease them up and bury them in a sealed up Tuff Pak?

"If you ever need to bury your guns then it's time to dig them up."

Jeff Cooper

If it was me, I'd get a piece of PVC pipe big enough in diameter to get the rifle into, then coat the rifle with RIG, or equivalent, for protection. I'd seal the ends of the pipe before burring it.
I just might have to do a GPS locator for all the rifles I'll have burried...

I thought about the PVC method, as well. I also thought if you could burying them straight down, as in post hole digger, they would have a better chance of going undetected.

when this subject comes up the next question is allways " what one gun would it be " I have allways said a 22 Mag,

1. Inexpensive
2. Light weight
3. Not to loud
4. can carry 100+ rounds in one pocket
5. take sm.to med size game without much damage
6. one shot and you can upgrade to any gun out their .

a gun this size could allso be put into a " food saver " vacuum bag and remove all the air inside before placing into a good PVC cantainer with a threaded end cap, then one more bag over the cantainer to protect the threads . a good small hand saw might be a good idea to have close by ,sealed in another bag to protect it ,incace you need to cut the end off the tube for some reason.

just a thought !

You can buy cosmoline here:

http://www.mil-specproducts.com/cosmo_l.aspx?gclid=CKuIoqKu45YCFRsRagod3RZOPA

If your're going to bury guns, don't forget the ammo.

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Originally posted by DMB:
I just might have to do a GPS locator for all the rifles I'll have burried...

Don't rely on your GPS. The Government is pretty good at taking satellites out. And if the government has given away so much technology that they can't remember how to do it, they can always ask China for help.

During Clintonomics, a popular way to bury firearms was in artillery shell shipping and storage tubes.

They were sold surplus, had a screw lid, and an O ring seal.

http://store.colemans.com/cart/40-in-storage-tube-p-132.html

http://store.colemans.com/cart/155mm-how-m1-storage-tube-22-in-p-63.html

http://www.decodesystems.com/tubes.html

There are also firearm preservation bags:
http://www.zcorrproducts.com/

When you bury guns, you need to be aware of metal detectors and radar fly overs.

Metal decoys and metal camouflage are in order.


Since Obama got elected, as the local gun nut, I have been approached by a rich guy who wants guns to be sheet rocked into his walls.

I warned him that they must be shielded from thermal, acoustic, magnetic, and other imaging.

But as smart as that guy is, I am sure he is not putting the guns where he tells me.

Brownells sells very tough mylar bags for long term storage. I would put the cosmo'ed/Rigged gun inside the bag with a dessicant, then in the pipe.

My brother and I had to store our late father's significant gun collection for three years, and with over <quantity redacted> guns we found minor rust on only one, and that one was in the white. We used the bags, dessicant and WD-40.

In have stored rifles for years in the Brownell's bags, after oiling the rifles well, and adding a small anti-corrosion chip they also sell. I have had no problems, I go over them every 2-3 years.

I've found it hard to find PVC pipe large enough in diameter to get a gun into.

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Originally posted by TC1:
"If you ever need to bury your guns then it's time to dig them up."

Jeff Cooper

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Originally posted by Westpac:

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Originally posted by DMB:
I just might have to do a GPS locator for all the rifles I'll have burried...

Don't rely on your GPS. The Government is pretty good at taking satellites out. And if the government has given away so much technology that they can't remember how to do it, they can always ask China for help.

Tin Can,
No surprise it's us over-regulated types with experience in long term storage.

I'm sincerely hoping the rest of the country remains free. If not, then Col. Jeff does have the answer.

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Originally posted by vapodog:

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Originally posted by TC1:
"If you ever need to bury your guns then it's time to dig them up."

Jeff Cooper

When you find out it is REALLY time to bury your guns, it may be REALLY too late to bury them.

Then you can use your house's water pipes to make flint locks before the gov death squad comes to the door, like they did in Croatia.

By then YOU will be part of a group political burial, instead of a private gun burial.

Still, I think you will do better disappearing with allot of Krugerrands and a pass port, than staying and fighting with guns, once the genocide starts.

~100,000,000 have been killed by police for ethnic and political reasons world wide over the last 100 years. The USA has been the safest, but there is always a first time.

What does it all mean?
A) The police are more dangerous than war, but less than disease.
B) It is better to travel than to fight.

Hopefully it does not happen, but I really anticipate something like the government recently instituted in South Africa - limiting the number of guns one can have and having to justify to the government the need for each particlular gun.

Thanks for the suggestions for protection equipment. I want to get the stuff assembled and be ready to put the plan into action.

IF I was going to bury any guns (which I am NOT), I'd cover them inside and out in surplus GI cosmoline, then bag them regardless what else I put them in (probably large diameter water pipe with epoxy welded caps). I'd use water pipe because it is designed to keep water in, and therefore out too.

I have installed some '03-A3 barrels in the last few years...ones which were put in cosmoline in about 1943. They were in perfect condition after 60+ years of no attention at all. I still have a couple left from the same batch and feel they will be as perfect as the day they were stored, too. Gun greases such as RIG would more likely need replacement several times during that long term of storage.

The 1903 Turks and Ishapore 308s arrive already full of grease.

It takes about an hour to get rid of it, once you learn how.

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one shot and you can upgrade to any gun out their .

That's what I always told all my friends who wanted to buy AK's and the like, "in case the flag goes up".

There is such a thing as ground-penetrating radar that can see disturbed earth. I'd bury the PVC tube directly under a post for that new post-and-rail fence you've been wanting to put up around your spread...

bury guns hell... no one ever proposed to look through faux heating ducts...

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bury guns hell... no one ever proposed to look through faux heating ducts...

Not a bad idea. The metal of the ducting might hide the metal of the guns hidden therein...

If one burys guns for long term storage make sure you store the stock and metal parts apart.places where stock and metal touch tend to rust.

Male sure you get your rust prevention into all places inside the bolts trigger parts ect.All screws and bolts should be take out and coated. Just don't count on a out side coating.

Make sure all metal is cover with a very heavy coating of rust preventing covering. Make sure your container is very moisture and water proof.Don't bury wood stocks the wood tends to attact moisture casueing them to mildrew and loose the finish. Don't put any paper or cloth inside for clean purposes it tends to attact moisture.

Don't expect to pull them out and use them right away it takes hours to clean them up. Make sure you have brushs and lots of cleaning supplys to get them into shootable condistion.
Make sure your ammo is store in water proof containers in side the main container. Make sure all mags are rust proofed as the guns.

Placing them in the ground with in even the very best container and leaving them for years could be very harsh on them.

One could dig them up 20 years later and find some of them unuseable. Be very careful use the best stuff one can buy. I would also plan on digging them up at least once every few years and checking on them. Then recoating or other as needed.

good luck hopefully well well not have to take such action.

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Originally posted by BaxterB:
bury guns hell... no one ever proposed to look through faux heating ducts...

Hell the anti gun police well tear your house down if they think guns are hidden there. I guess you haven't seen a house gone over good looking for drugs. Any place the gun/drug dogs hits on get tore apart

Burying ones guns is no way to make a stand and certainly not worth considering .

An impeachment process with a high profile attorney is a far better option .

I'll drum support from the Boys down under and possibly those dreadfully neutered English blokes

an we'll make it unilateral !.

There was a huge run on large diameter PVC pipe and caps in Australia about eight years ago when their gun ban was enacted.

I really don't see "long term" storage being the issue. If it really gets bad you will need a gun hidden in a place that you can get too it, when needed. Burying it straight down, as I described above, would cause little ground disturbance if you need to uncover the screw on lid and get the gun. It could then be replace with little effort. I have seen sheds with dirt floors that might be just the place. As mentioned by Penetrater, a nice little .22 mag might be just the ticket.

Fellas, if things were to ever get as bad as some have speculated above - radar, metal detectors, dogs, etc. - before things went that far I'm sure someone would do a web search for keywords like "buried guns" and quickly find this discussion. It would then be a rather simlpe matter to find each of us who have contributed! So let's not be getting too paranoid here!

Ask yourselves WHY you want to do this before getting too carried away. As others have mentioned, adequately protected guns will not be readily useable and vise-versa. Not to mention once they're banned do you think the ban will someday be lifted? Otherwise you'd better stick to one or two guns you could put to use for either hunting or protection. In either case you'll want it available not hidden five feet down under a fence post!!!

That said, there are reasons and ways to hide most anything. Be creative and understand that if you thought of it someone else probably did to.

Don't mean to pour cold water on the discussion but I tend to favor realism to fear or speculation. No offense intended fellas.

Burying should be one part of a multi part plan.

Burying near your metal fence post is darn good info. You may decide to have a special steel corner post welded up to acommodate a pvc pipe, eliminating the need to bury altogether.

Don't forget to place a 6 inch sand bottom to facilitate water drainage.

Also remember to put the top of the tube under the frost line.

A nylon rope around the bottom of the tube helps to get it out after a few years. Be careful not to let the lower edge 'lipseal' keep the tube from being able to be slid out. You may be under much stress and time concern when you need to dig up your cache.

Whenever you are caching anything of value, be sure to have a smaller less valuable cache nearby so if you are forced to dig up your cache, you can have a small sacrificial cache to give to either pirates or police.

DON"T TELL ANYONE about it, especially your wife, because you might divorce one day, or she might be forced under fright or torture to spill the beans. Everyone knows wives will tell on their husbands, especially the police.

Don't forget to place in the tube everything you will need to get the firearm back into action. You might not have time or access to rags to clean the grease. Don't bury cleaning solvents, they will be useless after time, and the containers may disintigrate and ruin the cache.

There are many good books out there on caching items of value.

Does anyone of you smart guys out there know of the dangers of long term exposure of firearms metal to heating fuel? Isn't heating fuel just diesel fuel with a different color? Is there anything corrosive in heating fuel that would damage a small handgun?

don't forget to bury some bullets with it. Helps with the "upgrade" plan.

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Originally posted by murkan mike:
Does anyone of you smart guys out there know of the dangers of long term exposure of firearms metal to heating fuel? Isn't heating fuel just diesel fuel with a different color? Is there anything corrosive in heating fuel that would damage a small handgun?

Stove oil is #1 Diesel & NO PROBLEM!!!

Just make sure its suspended. Diesel and other fuel oils are notorious for having a little water in them and obviously it settles to the bottom of the tank.

You will find many books that cover long-term storage of firearms and other necessary possessions at: www.loompanics.com
They also have books on subjects that may offend some people so be warned. While I do not approve of everything they sell, I have bought many interesting, informative, and educational books from them over the last 30 years.

Hey guys-
FWIW- I'm a plumber. If you use PVC pipe, you should definitely use glue-on caps, not threaded. The threaded caps are intended for use above ground, where they don't really need to be sealed from the elements. Use heavy-bodied gray glue and plenty of it. Use primer too.

Be sure and bury some ammo with it and also some tin foil. You'll need a good hat.


Terry