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Scope slipping. tryed all the typical fixes
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I have never had a problem with a scope slipping in properly lapped rings, from 223-416 rigby, but this one instance is puzzling me.

I have a 338 and a zeiss conquest 3-9x40. I have tryed DNZ mounts, warne, and talleys, but the scope will still slip under recoil I degreased the scope tube and rings, lapped the rings, and torqued them good. but it still slips and moves forward.

I'm at the conclusion that I NEED to put some type of adhesive on the rings to stop this, as 3 different scope mounts wouldn't hold it. I think it's the finish on the scope that isn't holding.

I have blue loctite. would that work?
 
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Liquid electric tape


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Powdered rosin generally works quite well too.
 
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I picked up some liquid electrical tape. I'm guessing just use it sparingly enough for it to squeeze out from the rings
 
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would go with powdered rosin but the liquid will work.
 
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it's surprisingly hard to find rosin here. they hardware stores didn't know what it was. (weird). Maybe a music store.
 
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in properly lapped rings

Perhaps you're lapping too much!

One 1/2 width (of the scope rings) of electrical tape may assist- it will grip.


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gohip200,

PM your address, I will mail you some.


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2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
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You can find Rosin bags at Big 5 sporting goods in the baseball section...

I've used paper shims...just about ANY kind but a strip of Postit sticky end works great and stays put...blue Loctite and green "after torque" Locktite...DON'T USE THE RED STUFF ON THE SCREWS...but I've used it on stubborn "slippers" as a LAST resort - only one small drop on the TOP ring as that way it is easy to stuff the whole scope in the freezer when you want to pop the rings off...clear fingernail polish on a paper shim...and of course the old standbys...electricians tape, friction tape, liquid tape, box tape or Scotch tape.

I've also milled a few thou off the bottom of the top ring mating surface to give a bit more grip on "surfaced/lapped" rings...running the ring top over oiled wet/dry (the grey stuff) sandpaper will lap the bases also just as well...switch ends and lap in a figure 8...clockwise then counterclockwise...just like lapping in some types of diesel injectors. Big Grin

Some scope bodies have such a hard, slick coating that hardly ANYTHING will stick to it.

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Some scope bodies have such a hard, slick coating that hardly ANYTHING will stick to it.



Napalm will! Big Grin


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Some scope bodies have such a hard, slick coating that hardly ANYTHING will stick to it.



Napalm will! Big Grin


So will WP.
 
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it's surprisingly hard to find rosin here. they hardware stores didn't know what it was. (weird). Maybe a music store.


or church supply- incense is rosin, also.
 
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3M "scotch kote".
 
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WHO would want to use foojuice and/or willypeter on their scopes??

For that matter I know of a few biologics that would work also...maybe good for in country use someplaces. Big Grin shocker

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powdered sugar is poor man's rosin
 
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When you really want something to stay put ,yet can be removed when needed ,try either of these tried and true performers .

http://www.loctiteproducts.com...Outdoor-Adhesive.htm

http://www.loctiteproducts.com...dlocker-Blue-242.htm

A single drop of thread locker on a clean scope and ring has yet to fail and some have been mated for 30+ years . I trust it completely .

Readily available at any home center automotive parts outlet or decent hardware store . salute archer archer
 
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in properly lapped rings

Perhaps you're lapping too much!

One 1/2 width (of the scope rings) of electrical tape may assist- it will grip.


I've used this fix with great results..

cheap and easily available if a re application is needed in the small town America at the hardware store..
 
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When you really want something to stay put ,yet can be removed when needed ,try either of these tried and true performers .

http://www.loctiteproducts.com...Outdoor-Adhesive.htm

http://www.loctiteproducts.com...dlocker-Blue-242.htm

A single drop of thread locker on a clean scope and ring has yet to fail and some have been mated for 30+ years . I trust it completely .

Readily available at any home center automotive parts outlet or decent hardware store . salute archer archer


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+1 on the Loctite, I've used blue loctite many times, but recently started using Black Max 380.

http://www.brownells.com/.aspx...t/BLACK_MAX_ADHESIVE

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewp...60#productTabReviews
 
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Years ago when we had the gun shop.
Used everything under the sun.
A thin layer of Rosin was the best until the double sided tape started coming out.

But the BEST thing we found that was the cure all, was good old Mt. Staint Helens ASH.
After the May 1980 eruption us on the west side got about 1 inch of ash, and boy does that work well. Still have a small container of it to put on hard to remove barrels, as it really bites in.

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ted thorn ; Now what ever gave a sharp fellow like yourself that idea .

I'm AWOL and on thin ice for misbehaving in the political dumpster an as it makes no difference now who knows what , YES !!!

If I'm on line the forums are dark no permission to post anywhere or look at anything . If I'm off line all is well , when any of you figure that out let me know !.

An here's the peculiar part I was actually behaving myself and refraining from partisan commentary and just getting along , when BAM

Permissions were denied for ALL forum activities . So the Snipers Hide an AR15 is where I now reside. I do miss the Good folks on this site but not the intolerant head moderator .

So I'm sure this will be my last post anyway . I've truly enjoyed all of my years on AR under which ever alias I've used .

I'll miss the lot of you good people !!! tu2 salute archer archer
 
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I coat my rings with rubber cement.
 
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You can try various home remedies, but if they don't work try Badger Max 50 rings. They ain't cheap, but they will fix your problem.

http://badgerordnance.com/max-50-scope-rings/

http://badgerordnance.com/resellers/
 
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So I'm sure this will be my last post anyway . I've truly enjoyed all of my years on AR under which ever alias I've used .

I'll miss the lot of you good people !!!


This forum will be poorer upon your exit. We have a lot of knowledgeable guys around here, but when it comes to epoxies, your knowledge is heads and shoulders above the rest of us.

I have always relied on the fact that I could come here and get all the answers I need. You will be sorely missed.


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Selby's flat bed truck delayed the safari, Horn of the Hunter would have read like an indictment of Selby. But Ruark rolled with the punches, poured some gin, and enjoyed the adventure.

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Thanks everyone. I think it worked
 
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So I'm sure this will be my last post anyway . I've truly enjoyed all of my years on AR under which ever alias I've used .

I'll miss the lot of you good people !!!



This forum will be poorer upon your exit. We have a lot of knowledgeable guys around here, but when it comes to epoxies, your knowledge is heads and shoulders above the rest of us.

I have always relied on the fact that I could come here and get all the answers I need. You will be sorely missed.


+1 Doc. You'll be missed. I was wondering what happened.
Oh well you have my email, keep in touch.


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