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13 February 2008, 07:19
Toomany Tools
Garand Question
For those who see these a lot, what can cause the enblock clip to prematurely eject--pops out with a few rounds still in it? I haven't looked at it yet but thought someone who's seen this could save me some ammo.

Thanks,


John Farner

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13 February 2008, 08:41
Westpac
quote:
Originally posted by Toomany Tools:
For those who see these a lot, what can cause the enblock clip to prematurely eject--pops out with a few rounds still in it? I haven't looked at it yet but thought someone who's seen this could save me some ammo.

Thanks,


Check the follower rod. Make sure it isn't bent or excessively worn. If it is bent, it can cause the op rod catch and clip latch to release early. Check the clip latch spring. There should be a fair amount of tension to hold the clip firmly against the latch. If it is weak or short that can cause premature ejectulation. Big Grin The op rod catch depressor arm could be damaged. Do you have a latch timing gauge? If not I will be glad to send you mine. It is useful for checking ejector latch timing and adjusting the depressor arm. Well, that and a hammer. Big Grin

I would recommend making up some dummies, remove the stock and assemble the gun without the stock and hand feed the dummies while watching the depressor arm and latch. Though quite sloppy without the stock, you can still get a feel for the function of those parts.

Good luck!


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13 February 2008, 09:19
z1r
Just replace it with a Mauser. jumping




Aut vincere aut mori
13 February 2008, 17:30
Toomany Tools
quote:
premature ejectulation


Exactly the problem; I'm just not familiar with these technical terms. You see, during my entire military service the M16 was our battle rifle; all the Garands were in museums. Wink

No, I don't have a latch timing gauge, but I do have several hammers of various sizes and weights. Those, and my selection of pipe wrenches get me through most jobs. Big Grin

I'll make up the dummy rounds and give it a whirl. If I can't figure it out that way I'll take you up on the offer.

Thanks,


John Farner

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13 February 2008, 17:39
pdhntr1
quote:
Originally posted by Westpac:
If it is weak or short that can cause premature ejectulation. Big Grin


I just spit my cheerios all over the computer!!

Thanks for starting my day off with a laugh. Now I gotta clean up this mess.....

Jim


Please be an ethical PD hunter, always practice shoot and release!!

Praying for all the brave souls standing in harms way.
13 February 2008, 18:30
Westpac
quote:
Originally posted by Toomany Tools:
quote:
premature ejectulation


Exactly the problem; I'm just not familiar with these technical terms. You see, during my entire military service the M16 was our battle rifle; all the Garands were in museums. Wink



The Garand was long retired by the time I joined the Corps. I was fortunate enough to spend time with the M14 before being issued the Mattie Mattel. Big Grin


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This is my rifle, there are many like it but this one is mine. My rifle is my best friend, it is my life.
13 February 2008, 21:19
dsiteman
Hello Westpak,
Well said about the trouble shooting of the Garand U.S. Service Rifle. I own and shoot NM built Garand in 308 and feel sorry for those not having spent many happy hours shooting the finest battle rifle ever invented. (Note: Battle Rifle, not Assault Rifle) Word of caution to the newby's on Garands, they really like the taste of human flesh and in particular the end of the thumb!!
13 February 2008, 21:54
Dr.K
They only eat thumbs of those that are dumb enough to place them in harms way !.

A bit weighty for my taste , but a fine shooting " Battle Rifle " non the less .

Does it do it with ALL of your enblocks ? or just a particular one ?. If so check the follower rod like Westpac suggested .

I'm far better on Mattie Mattel models or M14's although I own them all .

Never under estimate the intelligence of the Military !.

I qualified expert on the M16 along with 600-800 meters on the M14 only to be issued a Shotgun in VN !!. I guess they didn't want their explosives man using a rifle ? I might have been real dangerous !??.

Shoot Straight Know Your Target . ... salute
14 February 2008, 06:53
Toomany Tools
Although I did not see or use an M1 in my military career, when I was a senior in HS I took Metals Machining Technology classes at Springfield Technical Community College, and our studies all took place in what were John Garand's pattern shop. Lots of the tools he used were still in operation there and lots of relics. It was inspiring to study there.


John Farner

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14 February 2008, 07:10
Westpac
quote:
Originally posted by Toomany Tools:
our studies all took place in what were John Garand's pattern shop.


Garand... didn't he make piano's? Big Grin


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This is my rifle, there are many like it but this one is mine. My rifle is my best friend, it is my life.
14 February 2008, 21:55
Dr.K
No that was his brother " Baby " !. jumping
14 February 2008, 23:01
Michael Robinson
quote:
Originally posted by z1r:
Just replace it with a Mauser. jumping


Thanks to the Garand, those Mausers have been pretty easy to come by for the past 60 years. Big Grin Cool thumb


Mike

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15 February 2008, 00:23
ForrestB
Now that made me smile.


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15 February 2008, 03:06
MKane160
Made me smile, too. And reminded me of a supposedly actual conversation between an American pilot of a commercial jet and the tower at (IIRC) the Berlin airport. It seems the pilot was having difficulty figuring out which runway he was supposed to land on and the traffic controller was getting exasperated trying to explain which runway was which. I paraphrase here:

ATC: "Haven't you ever been to Berlin before?"

American pilot, tersely: "Yes I have, but it was dark and I didn't land..."

MKane160


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15 February 2008, 19:34
MikeMichalski
So, any advice on how/where to sell my Grand, 03A3, and Trapdoor Springfiled carbine?


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15 February 2008, 19:53
Westpac
quote:
Originally posted by MikeMichalski:
So, any advice on how/where to sell my Grand, 03A3, and Trapdoor Springfiled carbine?


Try the classifieds.


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This is my rifle, there are many like it but this one is mine. My rifle is my best friend, it is my life.
15 February 2008, 20:06
z1r
PM me your contact info. I have a customer that just started collecting US rifles. I know he wants a Garand and a Springfield.




Aut vincere aut mori
15 February 2008, 20:06
500grains
Also, gunbroker.com gets a lot of traffic, without the hassles of gunsamerica.com.
17 February 2008, 02:54
Toomany Tools
How about a loose barrel? That's all I've found so far. What's SOP for fixing that?


John Farner

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17 February 2008, 03:03
Westpac
quote:
Originally posted by Toomany Tools:
How about a loose barrel? That's all I've found so far. What's SOP for fixing that?


You might try tightening it. Big Grin

Okay seriously there are two choices. You can either fit a new barrel, or, if the customer is tight on funds and the barrel is otherwise in good shape with good headspace, you can cut the shoulder of the barrel back about .250 and make a close fitting .260 shim and refit the barrel from there. This procedure saves good barrels from the junk yard. Allow for about .008 crush from Zero.


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This is my rifle, there are many like it but this one is mine. My rifle is my best friend, it is my life.
17 February 2008, 04:25
Toomany Tools
I was thinking that some sort of washer would do the trick.

Oh, I also found the clip latch pin had moved out about .125" and the spring seems weak. I think that's the cause of the "premature ejectulation".

Thanks!


John Farner

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17 February 2008, 04:32
enfieldspares
quote:
Just replace it with a Mauser.

Not really very helpful at all!


Next time try a Lee Enfield No4. I am sorry that you are having problems but I have heard of this before. Although never the remedy.
17 February 2008, 04:39
Westpac
quote:
Originally posted by Toomany Tools:
I was thinking that some sort of washer would do the trick.

Oh, I also found the clip latch pin had moved out about .125" and the spring seems weak. I think that's the cause of the "premature ejectulation".

Thanks!


Actually it would not be much different than a Remington 700 recoil lug, except a much more precision fit. But yes, if you make the .250 "washer" tight and blend it with the shoulder, no one will ever notice it. Unless you accidentally make it out of stainless. Big Grin


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This is my rifle, there are many like it but this one is mine. My rifle is my best friend, it is my life.