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I have a new used Mauser 98 small ring in 6.5x 55. It came with weaver bases , but I was looking at the Talley lightweight 2 piece mounts with integral bases .. They look pretty nice and should be strong with that one piece design . Any body using these ? Pros and cons ? Thanks Bob DRSS Chapuis 9.3 x 74 R RSM. 416 Rigby RSM 375 H&H | ||
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I have used a couple pairs One set on a Kimber Montana and another on my wifes Ruger American No complaints and I like them just fine but I will warn that although Talley has been said to not lapp them I do After laying a set of calipers on my first set it didn't take me but a second to decide to lapp them The are far from round but with one nice feature over steel other than weight alone Being that they are powder coated aluminum the rarely if ever mark an anodized scope tube and grip well If you like them use them with confidence ________________________________________________ Maker of The Frankenstud Sling Keeper Proudly made in the USA Acepting all forms of payment | |||
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Nope; have no use for scope rings that do not detach, do not recommend them, and do not install them. | |||
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+ 1 a 100 times over!  Doug Humbarger NRA Life member Tonkin Gulf Yacht Club 72'73. Yankee Station Try to look unimportant. Your enemy might be low on ammo. | |||
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I bought a pair of Talley bases to replace Weavers #45 and #46. According to Talley, hole spacing was same as Weaver. Close, but no cigar. | |||
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Ah, but they do detach. Just a different way than other rings. | |||
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I used a pair on a rifle that I had for a few years and they worked fine. That being said, there have been several reports here on AR of the Talley one-piece aluminum rings splitting(cracking). IIRC, they broke while the rifle was being stored. Jason "You're not hard-core, unless you live hard-core." _______________________ Hunting in Africa is an adventure. The number of variables involved preclude the possibility of a perfect hunt. Some problems will arise. How you decide to handle them will determine how much you enjoy your hunt. Just tell yourself, "it's all part of the adventure." Remember, if Robert Ruark had gotten upset every time problems with Harry Selby's flat bed truck delayed the safari, Horn of the Hunter would have read like an indictment of Selby. But Ruark rolled with the punches, poured some gin, and enjoyed the adventure. -Jason Brown | |||
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Thanks I may look around for some good old leupold bases /rings ( steel ) The only problem I ever had with a rifle changing zero was due to aluminum rings slipping . DRSS Chapuis 9.3 x 74 R RSM. 416 Rigby RSM 375 H&H | |||
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I also have a preference for detachable rings and have avoided the LW's. I have always felt the Weaver system is a good one but only if one uses the steel bases. The aluminum bases do not always stay tight due to displacement of the aluminum by the screw. I like the Leupold QRW rings although I wish they made some as low as the Weaver low rings. Of course, this is not an issue for most modern hunters with their pechant for scopes with fat objective bells. Regards, Bill | |||
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Im suprised the ultralight rifle crowd hasn't improved the TLW system with Titanium There is already a market for Kimber bolt handles and trigger gaurds made from same ________________________________________________ Maker of The Frankenstud Sling Keeper Proudly made in the USA Acepting all forms of payment | |||
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I use only QD rings and bases..I like Talleys real well and I like the peep sight that goes with them, I would not own a rifle without iron sights however....I also like those old cheap weaver rings and bases, mostly because they are detachable if you keep the screw slots the same when takeing them off and on..but mainly because the Weaver bases are very low and do not obscure your barrel mounted iron sights as a rule..Aluminum Weaver bases never fail btw unless absolutely abused...Weaver rings have a tendency to wear out as the steel screws will strip out the aluminum part of the ring unless you take special care not to cross thread them..All that said, I have not had any problems with Talley, Weaver, Redfield or Leupold..I like Leupolds QD also, I have heard about the levers breaking but when investigated it was idiots that use hammers or pliers to tighten the levers, duh!! Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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I have one set of the Talley lightweights. I have them on a 30/06 in a lightweight configuration with a few hundred rounds down range. Everything is fine so far, I like them. I only put quick detachable rings on my rifles that have sights for a back up. I just don't see the point if your rifle has no sights. Having tried Talley Warne and Leupold QD's I don't trust ANY of them to swap the scope on and off without shooting it to re sight it, none have been close enough that I'd just be happy with them. Of course most of you will disagree but I tested all of the three and they are not good enough for me. | |||
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Well there you go Ted, that could be your retirement hobby! We would name it TITS ! Teds Improved Titanium Systems. I will only require a 30% cut on any TITS for thinking of the business and naming it....... | |||
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Bases whether aluminium or steel should always be epoxy glued and screwed, so dumb, dumber and dumbest if not. Aluminium are just as good as steel if properly glued and screwed. Bases are the most important part of a scoped gun. The barrel can be first rate, the trigger likewise, all nicely bedded and good ammo but if the bases are not tight and stay tight you might as well throw the gun out with the bath water. Never had any problems with any bases I have ever mounted using Araldite epoxy on the bases and on the base screw threads. I prefer the Weaver system, the shallow vee'd bases allow the use of low mounted iron sights and combined with low Weaver rings the scope sits where it should on any rifle, at the base of Everest and not the bloody top. | |||
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I agree with everything you have said but still prefer the steel bases. Regards, Bill. | |||
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Bill, given the choice I too would take steel bases but back when I was mounting scopes for others and myself, Weaver did not produce steel bases, or at least they were not available here in NZ. One thing I did not mention is that when using Weaver or any Weaver style base I always prefer the Weaver rings with the square recoil through bolt which matches the square slots across the mount bases as opposed to copy rings, most of which have a round recoil bolt. I have seen rings with the round through bolt starting to punch out the square slots in alloy bases. Even if using steel bases I see square with square as far as recoil resistance is concerned as mechanically superior in all respects. | |||
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Eagle27, There must be a lot of dumb gunsmiths in the US. I don't know any gunsmith that epoxies bases to the action. Yes some smiths will use epoxy to create a bed and have a better fit but that is not what your post refers to. Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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Well why not, at the very least epoxying bases prevents water seepage between the base and action which one could argue in freezing conditions is not ideal or in marine conditions likewise. Apart from that benefit, properly epoxied bases will not be relying on just the screws alone to hold everything together. All I know is that I have mounted a lot of scopes over the years many on guns getting a far old hard use, some of them used on the helicopters that undertook aerial culling of our game animals when thousands upon thousands of animals were shot and I have never had a come back. Better to be sure than sorry, before epoxy we soldered steel bases to our guns. Maybe we hunt harder here  | |||
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Uh...cause... 1) the screws work just fine 2) you might want to remove them at some point 3) you might want to sell the gun to some one who has different tastes Hunting hard does not mean you are smacking your rifle around. Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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Never thought to add it to one of my posts but epoxy is completely removable if the time ever comes that you want to. | |||
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and a completely unnecessary pain in the *ss. Just how easy is it going to be to remove those epoxied in screws. Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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i use epoxy on mine. A bit of extra insurance. Just heat to remove. | |||
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I will pass 100 times out of 99 when it comes to gluing a base to a rifle ________________________________________________ Maker of The Frankenstud Sling Keeper Proudly made in the USA Acepting all forms of payment | |||
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Fair enough but we wouldn't even be discussing this issue if everyone glued their bases and screws - other posts around about loose bases or unexplained poor accuracy and most often advice is given to check the bases. I'm happy to say I have never had to deal with that problem on any of my rifles or any others I have mounted bases and scopes on. Each to his own though, I just happen to believe in the KISS principle. | |||
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I use a gun more and harder than most, and seldom in a place to repair one and I would not use a rifle without the bases glassed in the screw holes. I can't see what that can hurt and I really prefer 8/40 base screws..The scope and mounting system is the weakest link on a hunting rifle by a long shot..Second is wood stocks but only "cheap improperly cured wood", Good quality, properly cured and laid out Turkish or European walnut ( I prefer Russian walnut ) is as stable as composite material..I have stocks that have not moved in at least 40 years and I have never had a wood stock warp! and my guns have been in wet Alaska and Canada, the humid parts of Africa, Idaho snow and Texas humidity, I don't own a composite stocked gun..I had a couple recently, as I thought they would be great for Idahos worst weather but they handled so clumsy and looked so damn fugly that I sold them, and asked my wood friends to forgive my ignorance.. Actually hunting on a horse all day long will unscrew the tightest of screws in time unless one is constantly checking them..Also riding in a truck or in the trunk of a car is a demon on screws..The constant viberation is the varmint. It also allows scope cross hairs to get out of level faster than anything I know of.. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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Well I'm back with a bit of a problem ! After changing out the weaver bases with some new steel custom bases , there's a situation with the rear base . It appears the rear hole in the receiver was drilled and taped off center ! When I start to snug up the bolts , the base wants to twist or cock left ! Not good . The rear base that I'm using is the type that has the two windage screws that secure the ring . It's possible to twist the ring on the base and tighten it up , but it's not seated in the screws properly. The front rear hole appears to be on line , So if I get a one piece base that bolts to just the front rear hole , it should work ? Not sure how to fix this mess - other than sending it out to get tig welded and re drilled and taped in line ! This small ring 98 has been ( Bubba'd ) up Pretty good . Also when they ground off the charging hump off the receiver , they may have gotten the contour off slightly . The rear base did not want to sit down flat on the receiver . I filed the bottom edges off the base to make it fit better . When I use my ring alignment tools ( round stock with pointed ends ) it also shows rear base plate too high . DRSS Chapuis 9.3 x 74 R RSM. 416 Rigby RSM 375 H&H | |||
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BC that is a bit of a shame about the off centre rear base hole. If you could get a one piece base, yes a single screw in the rear would hold especially if you epoxied the base and the screws in their holes to give a rock solid platform. You will still need to cure the issue with height between front and rear though. | |||
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