So I boutght a Rem Model 700 off the rack, took it apart just to check it out, put it back together and now the bold release is loose and rattles when you shake it. Obviously this won't work in the field. What happened? Did I loose a spring?

Suggestion: Don't buy a car.

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Originally posted by Toomany Tools:
Suggestion: Don't buy a car.

Good advice in general but about my question...

HOW MUCH of a wiggle? Every Rem trigger with that doodad I've seen or worked with has a certain amount of wiggle. Usually the wire spring takes up most of the wiggle but if it wasn't put back in right or was bent, etc...that might be the problem.

Take it out of the stock and see where the looseness is...something wasn't put back right or something slipped or....

Dig up a picture of the trigger and compare it to yours.

Personnally. I just toss the damned things when I replace that miserable Rem trigger with a Timney...just something else to go wrong.

Luck

nah the problem is the wire spring isn't taking up all the slack. It rattles around noisily then you push gently and it goes away, push harder and the bolt releases. Seriously pisses me off they cant just build it right.

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Originally posted by Wayfaring Stranger:
nah the problem is the wire spring isn't taking up all the slack. It rattles around noisily then you push gently and it goes away, push harder and the bolt releases. Seriously pisses me off they cant just build it right.

It is built right! But you need to know what you are doing when you tear them apart and put them back together. The only thing wrong with the factory trigger is not having some kind of alarm that sounds when their owners begin tinkering with them and get in over their heads.

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Originally posted by Westpac:

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Originally posted by Wayfaring Stranger:
nah the problem is the wire spring isn't taking up all the slack. It rattles around noisily then you push gently and it goes away, push harder and the bolt releases. Seriously pisses me off they cant just build it right.

It is built right! But you need to know what you are doing when you tear them apart and put them back together. The only thing wrong with the factory trigger is not having some kind of alarm that sounds when their owners begin tinkering with them and get in over their heads.

So I'm a dumb ass in over my head?

If you'll kindly explain how removing the action from the stock (following the manual's instructions I might add)possibly caused this I'll concede to being in over my head. Truth is I'm not sure it didn't even come that way as the dealer had a trigger lock on it so I couldn't have noticed at the store.

Anyone got any useful insight?

"took it apart just to check it out"

I admit, When I read this I thought you'd disassembled the trigger, not just removed the action from the stock.

The Rem bolt stop can be bound up by iterference with the stock if the stock isn't inletted correctly so look for that around the left (right-hand action) side of the trigger assembly and also around the bolt stop. The other thing to look at is the bolt stop spring to ensure it is installed correctly and that the forward tab is not catching on the receiver, and the rear tab runs under the trigger bolt release bar and into the groove in the receiver.

Oh, and to answer your question, yes, you likely are. Don't feel bad, we all are sometimes.

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Originally posted by Toomany Tools:
"took it apart just to check it out"

I admit, When I read this I thought you'd disassembled the trigger, not just removed the action from the stock.

The Rem bolt stop can be bound up by iterference with the stock if the stock isn't inletted correctly so look for that around the left (right-hand action) side of the trigger assembly and also around the bolt stop. The other thing to look at is the bolt stop spring to ensure it is installed correctly and that the forward tab is not catching on the receiver, and the rear tab runs under the trigger bolt release bar and into the groove in the receiver.

Oh, and to answer your question, yes, you likely are. Don't feel bad, we all are sometimes.

That helps.

I guess the outcome will determine whether or not I'm in over my head. Never happend on an of my other 700's.

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Originally posted by Wayfaring Stranger:
"took it apart just to check it out, put it back together and now"... And, "Did I loose a spring?"

What conclusion is one to draw from that???

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Originally posted by Wayfaring Stranger: So I'm a dumb ass in over my head?

Not only do you need to write so others can understand what you mean, you need to learn to read. I never called you a "dumb ass". Not yet anyway.

Take the barreled action out of the stock and see if the problem goes away. If it does, do as John say's, look at the stock for the source of interference. If the problem didn't go away, look at the bolt stop assembly to see if you can determine what is out of whack.

I'm reminded that sometimes dried oil or grease can bind free movement of the bolt stop. Use Gun Blaster, compressed air of something similar to clean the bolt stop and it's channel.

Westpac: Do you feel better after attacking my reading and writing ability and intelligence? Can we keep this thread on bolt releases not your unwanted character judgments?

Toomany
So the stock isn't the problem as the release is free to move, which is precisely the problem. The rear end of the bolt release doesn't come down far enough to put tension on the bolt release lever (the piece that connects the bolt release to the release button in front of the trigger), so that piece rattles around. I can't figure out how to adjust it such that the rear of the bolt release rests 1/16" of an inch lower so that it puts tension on the release lever. In the exploded gun diagrams in Midway's catalog I don't see an additional spring to keep tension (which was my original question about loosing a spring).

Remington confirmed its is likely a minor factory defect and offered to repair. I think I just may get a timney instead. Thanks for the help.

Good idea. The Timney will use your current bolt stop and release lever, so will have no bearing whatsoever on the "rattle" you are annoyed with, but it will be expensive.

"...question about loosing a spring".[/QUOTE]

Your question about Loosing (losing) a spring may have some relevance here. It may be you loost (lost) the ability to install it correctly.

PS THINK about what westpac said!!! AND, you don't need a Timney, nothing wrong with the original Remington trigger that a competent individual could install correctly.

Stranger,
The spring is difficult to get installed the right way when you are not used to doing it. I got to where I take a picture before I remove anything to have a reference to the orientation of the spring. You could always get a look at another 700 out of the stock to see how it fits. I wouldn't replace the trigger yet for a miss-installed spring.

I wouldn't say you are in way over your head, but you may need a little instruction on how to swim in those waters. I wish I could describe to you exactly how that spring fits in place in relation to all the other pieces of the trigger/safety assembly, but verbally I can't think of a way to do it.

It IS easy to see, though, if you have a correctly assembled one to look at. Both ends of that mousetrap spring need to be in the correct places when you put the pin back in, or you can get (and apparently have) a loose spring, together with several other loose small parts.

If you have another Remington 700 around, take off JUST THE STOCK. Do NOT take the trigger or safety off of it!

Then take the stock of the one you reassembled and lay the two barreled actions side by side so that you can compare where everything is in regard to that part of the action. Especially note the little "tit" on the short end of the spring and what it hooks onto.

Take the one you already have fiddled with apart again, and keep putting it back together until the whole assembly, from all views, looks the same as the one you haven't disassembled.

Your "rattle" should then be gone.

And if you do it slowly and carefully, paying attention to what goes where and why, you should be able to do it easily and correctly again in the future.

Good luck, be patient in the process, and enjoy it. Learning such stuff is fun, if we let it be.