I have been away quite a bit, and have asked everyone not to bring anything he to be fixed, until last week

I am sure that some of you do get things like this every once in a while, but I have never had all these happen to me all at once.

1. Brand new Tikka HB in 223 Remington.
It fires each time the bold is closed, unless one closes the bolt VERY SLOWLY!!
I opened it up, and could not tell if anyone had messed up with the trigger adjustment. The man who brought it in said he had not, and it was brand new in the box!!??
I adjusted it, and that is it.

2. A brand new Robler TITAN 6 in 308 Winchester. It fires if one slams the bold closed. If you close the bold normally, it fires about 20% of the time!!
Again, the man who brought it said no one touched it, and I agree with him. I opened it, and the trigger adjustment screw was intact, with white, unbroken, paint on it!!??
I adjusted it, and that is it.

3. A strange looking rifle, never seen by me before. It is made by KORTH in Germany. It is a 22 Long Rifle double action revolver with a 20.5 inch barrel.

It had open sights, but there is no way in hell anyone can shoot it, as the stock was var too high, and the sights cannot be aligned!!?? I removed the rear sight, and as it had no scope rail, installed a tip off rail that normally fits a Ruger 10/22. It is awful, as it splatters bits of lead from the cylinder gap, and one can only shoots it with both hands behind the trigger!!??

4. A Keppler rifle in 338 Lapua Magnum, also made in Germany.
First thing I noticed was the enormous muzzle brake, and the bolt. The bolt cannot be taken out, unless one removes the stock!! The bolt actually ride INSIDE the stock in a slot.

It had Picatiny scope rail, and I installed a set of high scope rings.

They were still way too low!! I installed a riser, and the rings on top of that. Now it was shootable.
I loaded a few rounds of starting loads to adjust the scope.
I used our own Walterhog bullets, 229 grain, and a medium load of 84 grains of Vihtavuori 165 powder, in Lapua cases and Winchester LRM primers.

I always wear double ear protection when shooting here -ones that go into the ear, and an over ear set.

I fired the first shot, and was almost blown away by the blast! It was worse than anything I have ever experienced. It actually was PAINFUL! I adjusted my ear protection to make sure everything was fitting right, and fired 2 more shots. The three shot group was 0.373 inch. And I don't think I will fire it again! I will make sure I am out of the shooting room when anyone shoots it!

Saeed,

I am beginning to understand your prejudice against German guns if you are frequently confronted with that kind of stuff. It might have something to do with buyer's preference in your region, since I never encounter guns like 3. and 4. on German shooting ranges or in hunting parties. Some very functional and high-quality firearms are built here for the local market.

Manufacturers who build very impractical rifles, encrusted with deep engraving, embellished with gold and diamonds, typically cater to other markets like Russia or the Middle East. Maybe the same is the case with your no. 3 and 4?

Saeed, could I suggest that what you might need regarding the noise is an outdoor range? As a boy, I always shot in the open, over at my father's farm dam. There was noise but nothing compared with the first time I used a range with an iron roof over the bench. Though I always use earmuffs, the roof still takes its toll. That you were able to shoot such small groups in such a situation is tantamount to a miracle.

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Originally posted by sambarman338:
There was noise but nothing compared with the first time I used a range with an iron roof over the bench. Though I always use earmuffs, the roof still takes its toll. T

In door ranges are a lot louder then shooting out side for sure 165 grs of powder sure does not help that at all.

Gentlemen,

I have been shooting in our room door range for over 30 years. We have many rifles with muzzle brakes.

But nothing comes even remotely close to this one!

Have you ever experimented with things like these:?

Saeed,
Are you sure they didn't drop those rifles off when you were away and Walter "helped"?

if you think those two german rifles are bad just wait until a blaser happens

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Originally posted by p dog shooter:
In door ranges are a lot louder then shooting out side for sure 165 grs of powder sure does not help that at all.

It was 84 grains of Vihtavuori 165 powder used not 165grs of powder. That would really hurt and not just the ears

Gentlemen,

This has nothing to do with the amount of powder.

Our top load for our 700 uses 255 grains of powder, and it no where near as bad as this muzzle brake.

I know exactly what you are talking about Saeed. Muzzle brakes with large ports, which release all of the gas pressure at once tend to be EXTREMELY unpleasant to shoot. The pressure wave can hit you like a wet mop in the face. Even worse are the brakes with the holes which are angled rearward to push the gun forward. Beyond the discomfort of the blast they also send unburned powder and debris back toward the shooter and bystanders. I personally see no reason to make brakes like this. It's just as simple to make the brake a bit longer and release the gas in smaller amounts over a greater time. The difference in recoil reduction between the two is rather minimal. But that's just my personal opinion.

As far as fine, German engineering goes. They have been over designing things since the advent of the money wrench and the monkey. They seem to take great pride in complication and confusion and which ever one of them can design the mouse trap with the most parts is invariably the winner. I don't see them changing this concept until they find a way to make a pocket knife more complicated than the Swiss can.

This rifle is mine now, and I can do whatever I want with it.

We did a trade with its owner, as he wanted something smaller. That is the reason he had never shot it before anyway.

I have removed that horrible muzzle brake, and I will develop a load for it, and let you all know how it performs.

At least I can shoot it without having to worry of loosing wherever hearing I have left!

Muzzle brakes are a PITA. I don't install them unless I have to and then with protest.

A decent suppressor does the same thing without all the hellfire and damnation.

Joe

Actually Joe, only criminals use suppressors. Because if you install one, or own one up here in Canada, they make you a criminal and send you to prison ! LOL

So brakes are REALLY GOOD here. They just happen to be be uncomfortably noisy.

'Tis the same here, I believe, Rod, but not in NZ. I can't imagine why they should be illegal on high-velocity centrefires, since nothing could make them silent, but there you go.

It's a conspiracy. The hearing aid companies pushed that law through. They also invented rock and roll and subsidize loud mp3 players.

I am sure some of you gunsmiths must have had some incredible things brought to you, it will be interesting to hear them.

Here we have some very talented individuals - who seem to lack much between their ears.

Here are a few that might put a smile on your faces.

A friend called "Are you home this afternoon?"
"Yes, after 4" I said.

Sure enough, he arrived at 4 with a Franchi semi auto shotgun. I cannot remember the exact model, but part of the bolt was sticking out of the hand grip - it broke though. It is the part that goes into a recoil spring, fitted back into the grip.

I looked at it, and asked him "How did you do this?"

"It is not my gun. It belongs to a friend. He said he shot some modified ammo in it. If you like, we can call him and you ask him"

We did.

It transpired the young nut was not happy with his ammo - I think it was standard 2 3/4" Ely.

So he decided to improve the power of his ammo.

He opened a few cartridges very carefully. Took all the shot, powder and wads out.

His idea of improving the power was adding more powder, and more shot!!

He reduced the size of the wads, replacing the space by more shot, driven by more powder.

First shot, and the rear end of the bolt breaks through the pistol grip.

Luckily, he did not suffer any damage, apart from a few scratches on right hand.

I asked him how did he arrive at this formula?

He said, well, as he was adding more shot, he thought it would require more powder.

His knowledge of powder and burn rate was not very good!

Actually, his logic was quite sound Saeed. He managed to increase the power of the loads VERY, substantially. The problem was with the foolish, Italian engineers who obviously and carelessly neglected to design and build the gun to match his unique loading specifications ! ! ! !

When all else fails, always blame the Italians. LOL

I was developing some loads for a rifle, and my friend Walter was here.

I changed to a heavier bullet, and reduced the powder charge.

Walter "why are you using less powder?"

"Because the bullet is heavier, and for that I have to reduce the powder amount."

"That does not make sense"

"Yes it does, but I don't expect you to understand it. Carry on eating your ice cream"

"Does that mean if you use a REALLY heavy bullet, you won't need any powder?"

"Yes. But you won't need a rifle then. Just throw it at whoever you are trying to shoot"