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what do I do with a m700 with a detachable clip?
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I have the parts to build a new 257 roberts on a m700 short action rifle. Lilja 3 grove #2 barrel & Brown Precision stock. Today I bought a like new m700 mountain rifle in 7-08. Of course I'll shoot it to see if it's a shooter but should i sell the current bottom metal & buy bdl bottom metal or have the stock modified for the clip version. I have only used a m14 & m16 with clips when I was in the Army.
 
Posts: 1125 | Location: near atlanta,ga,usa | Registered: 26 September 2001Reply With Quote
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There is some question about .257 Roberts rounds working in SA 700's. And rifles hold rounds in "magazines" NOT "clips."
 
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And rifles hold rounds in "magazines" NOT "clips

Unless it is a M1 Garand, a Lebel, a Mannlicher and probably one or two others that I don't happen to remember Big Grin


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700 actions that have magazine feed systems do not have the conventional feed lips to convert them to either ADL or BDL style.
 
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There is some question about .257 Roberts rounds working in SA 700's. And rifles hold rounds in "magazines" NOT "clips."
Thats always been a good conversation piece,the difference between magazines and clips. read the definitions of both in an dictionary. Magazines at first were an area within a fort or ship to store municitons or arms. you can go from there. just a note
 
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Unless it is a M1 Garand, a Lebel, a Mannlicher and probably one or two others that I don't happen to remember Big Grin



A Garand, to my knowledge, holds eight rounds in a clip, that clip fits in the rifle's magazine.

fyj's reply, snotty as it appears, is correct, I believe.
 
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A Garand, to my knowledge, holds eight rounds in a clip, that clip fits in the rifle's magazine.

fyj's reply, snotty as it appears, is correct, I believe.

Exactly what a pounded into my head many years ago.

I copied the explantion below from this site.
http://counterstrikefox.freeservers.com/ClipMag.htm

Clips vs Magazines
Although many people use the terms "clip" and "magazine" interchangeably, there is a significant difference between the two. As a quick rule of thumb, if it has a spring, it's a magazine. If it's a simple piece of metal, it's a clip. It's another common misconception that rifles use magazines, and that pistols use clips. This is also not true.



Clips simply hold together a number of cartridges by the groove around the base of the casing for easy loading into a magazine. In the example above, the clip holds five rounds together for loading into a Czech VZ24, a copy of the famous German Mauser 1898 rifle. The series of pictures below demonstrate how the clip is loaded into the fixed magazine of the rifle. Clips offer the ability to rapidly reload weapons with fixed magazines. The Russian SKS, for example, can take a while to be loaded if each cartridge had to be individually loaded into the magazine. With the stripper clip, the magazine can be recharged quickly.



On the other hand, a magazine uses a box like enclosure to hold rounds together for loading into a weapon. The rounds are held together by the force of the walls pressing the rounds together, and by a (usually) spring-loaded follower that presses up against the rounds, trying to feed them to the top of the magazine, and from there, into the chamber of the weapon that the magazine has been inserted into. Not all magazines are detachable; clip-fed weapons usually have a fixed magazine (a magazine that is built into the weapon) to hold the rounds after they've been stripped off of the clip. Some weapons have the option of either being fed by detachable magazine, or the magazine can be left in place and be refilled via stripper clips. The M14 and the English version of the FN-FAL, the L1A1, have this ability, for instance.



Some people say that the distinction between a clip and a magazine is a distinction that doesn't matter much. "As long as you get the point," they say, "what does it matter?" Well, there are a number of reasons. The main reason is that when you speak to people who are familiar with firearms, you sound somewhat uneducated when you ask if you can run a clip through their AR-15. Secondly, for those of you who are lazy, to type in 'clip' takes 4 keystrokes, whereas 'mag' only takes 3.

Back to your original issue. I don't have a 700 to check to see if the feed rails are part of the action or magazine walls. If thay are part of the action then you can't convert if they are on the mag walls then you should be able to. I always viewed the 6mm, 257R & 7x57 were better suited for the long action.


As usual just my $.02
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Tom

If you are saying you bought a m700 with the detachable box magazine then you are stuck with that. Just as Alan said. I’m just not sure from your post what exactly you have.

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Thank you for the bad news, I have a detachable box magazine m700 mountain rifle..Guess I'll have to trade it for a BDL..
 
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Tom, just because your rifle has the DBM doesn't mean your sunk on your conversion, it just means it would retain the DBM functionality. Of course if you just didn't want that feature, then it sounds like you'll need to get a rifle/action that doesn't have that feature. I've had several DBM actions converted to different calibers, and they function great, I feel it's a matter of staying in the same family of cartridges in terms of cartridge diameter, or close, and how good of a smith you have.

Good Luck--Don
 
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The last model 700 that I stocked with a magazine had the feed rails built into the magazine and the action feed rails were milled out.


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Chick is absolutely correct. The DBM magazine actions will not fuction, as repeaters, without the factory magazine in place.
 
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If you decide to sell the mountain rifle with the DBM let me know. I may be interested if the price is reasonable. I am just north of Atlanta
 
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