Haven't done anything to these variants except maybe clean and oil a few. Now have two customs both had been altered to ...222 maybe? Clients want them back to 22 Hornet.

I've taken care of the bolt face, found an original extractor. But...inconsistent feeding. I suspect ctg. OAL is c ritical? Any of you out there gunsmithed these?

I'm sure you know this, but these used an inner and outer mag box with the feed lips formed into the inner one and the special ejector and spacer installed into the outer one. If they do not have these special Hornet parts, it won't work.

Yes, Has all those parts. but the followers are suspect...I think that's tricking me into thinking ctg. OAL length is a factor. This whole set up makes me suspect a patent infringement on Mr. Goldberg

Yes, it was a very bad idea to put that cartridge in a Model 70.

I've had a minty pre-war Hornet around here for a long time, cycling the bolt faster helps with CR feed but some rounds just insist on being push feed. I have never found a reliable fix but the most dangerous game I've faced with it are those nasty little red squirrels,_I'll use the steel butt if it comes to that!

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Originally posted by rglenz:
I've had a minty pre-war Hornet around here for a long time, cycling the bolt faster helps with CR feed but some rounds just insist on being push feed. I have never found a reliable fix but the most dangerous game I've faced with it are those nasty little red squirrels,_I'll use the steel butt if it comes to that!

Do you hand load...what's the OAL? Have you fond a difference in reliable feeding?

Duane

Yes, I hand load. I just dug it out of the safe to refresh my memory. I ran my normal load of Sierra 40 grain, .223 loaded to a length of 1.735 through the mag. several times, they all fed fine. When I worked the bolt slowly the cartridge base would drop down and pop ahead of the extractor and jam with the bullet up and base down, but not every time.
I also tried some rounds I have loaded for my ZKW 465, 40 grain V-MAX loaded to 1.805, they fed every time,(today) fast and slow?

My speer handbook lists max cartridge length as 1.723 so my hand loads are longer than spec. I don't recall ever owning a factory 22 Hornet round.

Good luck with your projects

Hmmm...this information is GREAT..and kinda confirms my suspicions.

Thanks for going through the trouble Duane

Duane: Can you see any light at the end of the tunnel on this project?

Much thanks goes out to he AR members that helped me out on this. Once I got some unaltered pars on loan, the fix was relatively simple.

We were able to purchase new outer and inner boxes (@ $500.00 a pop). extractor ($200.00) New mfg follower and spring from Jim Wisner.... feeds and functions perfectly.

The chamber mouth configuration is peculiar...that's about it!

Had one of these in the shop about 2 months ago that had been converted to .222. Customer said it wouldn't feed. I think the inner mag was gone. Discretion being the better part of valor I told him I couldn't help him and suggested another 'smith. I guess over the years I've learned to leave some things alone.

Sometimes, you just gotta pay attention to which side your bread is buttered

Are you serious on the cost of those parts?
Tell me it is a joke.

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Originally posted by TCLouis:
Are you serious on the cost of those parts?
Tell me it is a joke.

Seriously? You think Brownells has shelves full?

The Vietnam era entrenching tool that I lived with for five years now goes for well north of $100.00 on e-bay. They work great, and haven't been made in forty years. Same deal with many gun parts.

Its called supply and demand, been around for a long time..

No Joke, ZIR And then....even the last $500.00 unit has been screwed around with just a little, but enough to reguire some touchy TIG welding on the ejector nose.

Life is full of experiences...now that I've had this experience, I won't have to do it again

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Originally posted by Duane Wiebe (CG&R):
No Joke, ZIR And then....even the last $500.00 unit has been screwed around with just a little, but enough to reguire some touchy TIG welding on the ejector nose.

Life is full of experiences...now that I've had this experience, I won't have to do it again

I know that feeling all too well!

I'm sure the owner appreciates ALL your efforts!

Probably could have picked up a beater Model 54 for cheaper than that.

ismith

54's are OK if you don't mind altering the bolt handle for scope clearance (most were designed for open sight use) swapping out/timing of the safety for/to fit a M70 style, replacing the heavy trigger and bluing them to match. Then there's the possibility of clearance issues with an aftermarket trigger.

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Originally posted by custombolt:
ismith

54's are OK if you don't mind altering the bolt handle for scope clearance (most were designed for open sight use) swapping out/timing of the safety for/to fit a M70 style, replacing the heavy trigger and bluing them to match. Then there's the possibility of clearance issues with an aftermarket trigger.

My post was in regards to the magazine box and extractor, which should interchange.

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My post was in regards to the magazine box and extractor, which should interchange.

Close but not close enough.

The extractor is the same.
The magazine insert is the same.
The magazine follower spring is the same.

The follower is missing the little rear tab to hold the spring in place so when you open the M70 magazine cover, the follower will fall out on the ground.

The magazine box is missing the bow cut and the hinge plate cut of the M70 magazine box.

Plus as they only made the M54 in the Hornet for about 3 - 4 years these parts will be much harder to find that M70 parts.

JW

Thanks for chiming in Jim. Great info.