Guess I didn't have the cam locks on the chuck set right. Turning a square part down the chuck came off. Man I'm glad it wasn't running fast rpm! It just dropped on the ways.

Now one of the cam locks is missing.

This is a: 110-13x40 Enco lathe. MSC bought Enco out and they say no parts are available as this is "such an old obsolete machine". Hell, it was made in '92, that's sure not OLD for a machine. Lot's of 'em out there over 100yrs old.

Anyway, I sure need a cam lock, would take a set IF they're available. Suggestions are welcome too.

I can e'mail pictures, can't post 'em here though. This chuck is a three pin, cam lock type. Don't know how common this mounting system is other than Enco used it. I have a 3 & 4 jaw chucks and face plate with the same pins.

Thanks much,
George
gldwight1@yahoo.com
or text to: 719/557-2583

There's a chance Jet lathes use the same part. Try contacting one of the Jet dealers,

If its the pins that you are referring to, I just make them from 1144 when they get loose or damaged. Its just a threaded pin with a half moon cut in it. I just thread them in the lathe and use an end mill to plunge the half moon. You fit them as close as possible with the thread then final fit them with layout fluid or felt pen and a dremel tool or file. Pull out one of the other pins and duplicate it. There is no rocket science to them. You can also buy them from Shars or Harbor Freight I'm sure.

For a small lathe like that I would imagine that they are D1-4 size.

D1-4 by Rod Henrickson, on Flickr

There is some D1-8 and D1-6's on eBay
Measure yours and google what size it
is

Remember that while the pin size and cam cuts are universal to all type D cam locks, the thread size of the pins is whatever the chuck manufacturer happened to have a tap for at the time. Anything made in the USA should be Unified. Anything from Europe or Asia will be some form of funky metric shit. Pull one and measure the thread size.

Most Asian and USA 13-40 can opener machines and smaller will be D1-4.

you can get parts direct from enco. sears parts shows parts for enco and i think it might be the same as grizsly

The big mail order tool stores have them. MSC. KBC etc.

Dave

Pull out one of the remaining ones and make a new one.

quote:

Originally posted by georgeld:
Guess I didn't have the cam locks on the chuck set right. Turning a square part down the chuck came off. Man I'm glad it wasn't running fast rpm! It just dropped on the ways.

Now one of the cam locks is missing.

This is a: 110-13x40 Enco lathe. MSC bought Enco out and they say no parts are available as this is "such an old obsolete machine". Hell, it was made in '92, that's sure not OLD for a machine. Lot's of 'em out there over 100yrs old.

Anyway, I sure need a cam lock, would take a set IF they're available. Suggestions are welcome too.

I can e'mail pictures, can't post 'em here though. This chuck is a three pin, cam lock type. Don't know how common this mounting system is other than Enco used it. I have a 3 & 4 jaw chucks and face plate with the same pins.

Thanks much,
George
gldwight1@yahoo.com
or text to: 719/557-2583

I have the identical "old and obselete" model as you. It uses D1-4 chucks, which are pretty much standard for modern lathes of that size. Any D1=4 chuck should mate right up, and this just might be a sign that it's time to upgrade to a higher quality chuck than the one that came on it.

By the bye- I like mine. I've run it hard for the last 25 years with no complaints whatsoever- a lot of the work was production runs, 8-10 hours a day. The only issue with it to date was with the U.S. made Sargon DRO.

Porosonik.

Thank guys for all the replies.

I only need a CAM, not the pin. Pins are fine.

This is the 3 jaw, I have an 8" 4 jaw and face plate too. Faceplate has never been on yet, the 4 jaw I use now and then is like new yet.

This 6" 3 jaw is just right for nearly all my turning projects. I'm long retired and just use it for junk shit projects I dream up, or think I need. Seldom anything important.

You guys that THINK you can just buy parts from Enco must not have tried doing so since MSC bought 'em out!!!

JD said he worked the machines for Enco many years and this is "an old antique machine and no parts are available now" He's working for MSC now of course.

No way you can contact Enco direct in Fernly NV now, everything goes thru MSC. My dealings with them have been a real PITA for many years.

This chuck is fine yet, not any problem with it. I just failed to check the cam locks it looks like. Never heard of a chuck falling off til this. Sure glad I was running it slow and not at 2000rpm. Might have been hard to digest. Plus, I stand on a foot high box to run it as I don't have a floor poured in the shop and can't reach it from the ground. IF high speed it would have knocked me on my ass I'm sure.

Had a pm from one of the guys here that's looking in his parts box. Might find one yet.

D1-4, good to know, how common is this mounting system?


TED: I would but, no mill!

George

I am posting these pictures for George.

This is the machine.


Next the part, it is .840" dia, 1.480" oal.



Here is where it goes in relation to the chuck.

Well now.
Yeah.
OK.

That was decidedly NOT one of the parts you want to lose. The cam lock systems in those cheaper lathes is integral to the spindle so there just aren't a lot of them laying around. Making the actual cam is not a big deal other than it has to be hardened. What is a bit time consuming is cutting the square key hole. You can get it close by roughing it with a slot mill and then rough finishing the corners with a 3mm slot mill. After that you have to either make a corner broach (not all that tough) or finish it with die sinkers chisels. Probably 2 or 3 hours shot to hell to make that dinky little part.

MSC shows the part https://www.mscdirect.com/product/details/56451388 It is referred to as Spindle Cam on their website. You would have to get with one of their tech reps to determine the exact measurements but it is listed as being for the D1-4.

I spoke with my regional MSC salesman today

This is MSC's parts hotline
The part is obtainable

1-800-753-7975

.

Dave:

Thank you sir!

These pictures have a lot of miles on 'em. Taken with my old "obsolete folder ph", txt to dau in Canberra that posted them online for me. sent to Dave in NC. Quite a trip huh? And they've come out fairly decent even.

Ted: I e'mailed JD McFarlin I think his name was. Sent him all these same pictures and his reply said: "too old, no parts available any longer". Very likely "your local msc man" is the same guy.

I just clicked to order one. That price is gouging, IF I had another lathe going I'd just make one.
Figure with 1" drill rod I could drill a 3/8" or bit bigger hole, grind another square that size and harden the hell out of it. Heat the end with the hole and swage it over the pin. Shouldn't be too big a deal.

Far as hardening, I've been tempering things since before 1960. LOT's of practice with that as a weldor. I always keep a stock of such steel on hand. Sucker rod from old well's is dandy iron for chisels and such.

Getting the radius cut with what I have to do it with would be the trick. I don't have a mill.

Thank you all very much.
George

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3326 July 2017 20:33Hide PostMSC shows the part

https://www.mscdirect.com/product/details/56451388

George Did you click the link Mr Hall put up.
That looks like your part for $38.30jc

quote:

Originally posted by georgeld:
Dave:

Thank you sir!

George,

You're welcome. Glad I could help.

You bet I did.

I mailed an order out today for it.

Many thanks to all of you and Dave especially
for the info and posting my pictures so everyone would know what I was talking about.

My MSC book is 2008 so it's out of date, I asked them to send me a new one too.
This part is NOT listed/shown in the '08 MSC big book, Enco's '14, or WTools either. Man I'm glad I asked here!

Figured folks on this thread would be of help.

George