Could be. I seem to remember Rod alluding to something of a significant magnitude in the wings but, that never got published. So maybe this is that significant event.
Sambubba, the Shot Show is going on, too. Trade shows seem to soak up everyone's time no matter the industry. My advice would be to call them. I know that they had to run the machining through one house and that really screwed up their scheduling.
I received my two right handed stainless short actions with magnum bolt face a while back and I am tickled with mine. I also have a long chrome moly action and am very pleased.
Best regards,
Posts: 1323 | Location: San Antonio, Texas | Registered: 04 March 2003
The CZ's coming out in left handed are good news, (if it doesn't eat all of the company's time and resources making the actions for CZ) and if you like the WSM cartridges.(I do, but I own mine already)
I had e-mailed Dan, Scott and the website a couple of weeks ago but getting ready for the SHOT show was probably eating up all of their time.
I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW WHERE MY ACTION IS!!!!!!!!!
Posts: 12823 | Location: Kentucky, USA | Registered: 30 December 2002
Dan and the MRC owner are at the SHOT show. According to a note I recevied from Scott yesterday, they are both due back in the shop Tuesday 2/17. I need to talk with them as well!!!!
Posts: 535 | Location: Mississippi | Registered: 17 December 2000
I picked up the phone after reading this thread and called Scott at Montana Rifle Co.406-755-4864
What I heard wasn't what I wanted to hear, but once again Scott as well as Dan have always been up front and candid about the information they pass along.
Scott said they are getting a few left handed actions "trickling into the machine shop" but the rest of the stuff was still at PineTree. His best guess concerning the long action I have ordered would be the end of March or perhaps later getting shipped to my gunsmith. Since I know this is a startup deal, I have been prepared for delays. John Ricks already has the right hand action from Montana.
We all want the actions ASAP and waiting is never an easy task.
Posts: 9797 | Location: Missouri City, Texas | Registered: 21 June 2000
I had given serious thought to ordering a Pro-Hunter from them, but I think I will wait until the first order is filled. At least this gives me more time to finish the stock for the Lott, if it ever gets here.
Joe
Posts: 263 | Location: Where ever Bush sends me | Registered: 13 July 2003
Wow! I am sure glad I just save my money for the occasional Lefty Winchester that I can get my hands on, I have seen more.......well, uh, well, uh with all of these delay's and this and that, than I could ever stomach!!!! Hope you guy's that paid for these lefty's finally get them and are happy! (As a side note, I am not belittling the whole Montana Rifle company, as I hope to possibly purchase one as the basis of a custom rifle for my little boy one day when we could actually call and KNOW when we are going to receive them.)
Best of luck
Huntr
Posts: 88 | Location: New Mexico | Registered: 10 September 2003
Look at the weight of this rifle! I've got to say, this is the lightest walnut-stocked package I've ever seen chambered for a magnum cartridge. It must kick like a mule, but it would be a pleasure to carry.
H. C.
Posts: 3691 | Location: West Virginia | Registered: 23 May 2001
I think a LOT of confusion is developing around the schedule for LONG LH actions and the SHORT LH actions.
Please confirm with MRC which is which. The SHORTS are ahead of the LONGS by 30-60 days, and SHORTS are due in March.
IF the castings were done right now...today... some LONGS might have a chance to ship to customers by the end of March. If they have not been cast yet, (and my understanding is the molds still need to be qualified), then LONGS will probably not ship to customers in March.
MRC is at the end of long and complex supply chain. We have as much at stake as anyone, with a LOT of LH stock orders pending, so I try to keep abreast of this issue. However, the final word is from MRC. Just double-check to be sure you and they are on the same page.
Posts: 106 | Location: Star Meadow, Montana | Registered: 12 January 2004
That is absolutely rediculous. Somebody has been pulling the wool over somebody else's eyes. Someone said when I placed an order for a LH LA that it would most likely be shipped in June -July 2003. Now you are telling me that May 2004 is the "new" date. Shameful. Rod, you are right, someone is definately confused.
Posts: 2659 | Location: Southwestern Alberta | Registered: 08 March 2003
That is absolutely rediculous. Somebody has been pulling the wool over somebody else's eyes.
Not really Chuck....
Every person who accepted the charter program premise, and committed their money to the enterprise, became "partners" in the manufacturing process. For good or bad.
You didn't just order an action and subsequently get stiffed or delayed. That you weren't made aware up-front of the myriad of things that might go wrong is hardly the fault of MRC. Now.......if proof surfaces that MRC is directing its energies to complete actions for other entities other than the charter group...........you may be entitled to some righteous indignation.
Someone said when I placed an order for a LH LA that it would most likely be shipped in June -July 2003. Now you are telling me that May 2004 is the "new" date. Shameful.
Shit happens. Especially in start-up ventures such as this. Can you honestly say you thought this program would proceed without a hitch?
I'm not minimizing your disappointment.....I'd be disappointed also. In fact, I probably will be in the future. I have an order in for the PH. If it ever gets to the minimum sign-up number for production, I have no illusions that I'll be seeing an action any time soon. I'm also not buying wood and barrel for it.....nor am I scheduling a hunt around its potential availability.
I'm pretty realistic about the program I signed up for.
GV
Posts: 768 | Location: Wisconsin | Registered: 18 January 2001
Now.......if proof surfaces that MRC is directing its energies to complete actions for other entities other than the charter group...........you may be entitled to some righteous indignation.
I think GV has a very good point. As a charter issue subscriber, I really would like to know if MRC has been putting their energy into fulfilling other orders before finishing off the charter issue.
I also seem to remember that the LH longs were offered before the shorts. One would expect those to be completed first as well. I could be wrong on this last point.
Posts: 1210 | Location: Zurich | Registered: 02 January 2002
It wouldn't bug me much if the short charter LH actions come out before the long charter LH actions, even if the longs were offered first (even though I've got two longs on order). An unforseen delay in one "supply chain" is understandable.
I would be very disappointed if CZ was getting shipments of LH actions ahead of the charter orders, since the premise of the charter offering is that charter orderers would be the first kids on the block to have these actions. If that were happening, I would think that Montana is using 350 of us suckers to finance a project for CZ. It's no surprise that Montana would be interested in a contract with a volume customer such as CZ, and it would not be a surprise that neither Montana nor CZ (nor even their respective banks) wanted to come up with the cash needed to tool up. I don't even mind if CZ and Montana were in negotiations before the charter issue was offered. I will be just really, really mad about this if the deal is to ship actions to CZ ahead of the charter customers.
Again, I don't have 2 and 2 to put together. I don't even know whether for sure CZ's new rifle is made by Montana. It sounds like it. I can't tell from the dinky picture. Montana and CZ may have announced the arrangement and I haven't heard about it. If the only thing standing between a beautiful Montana/CZ relationship is 350 charter issue rifles getting out to charter customers, I think Montana will be working very hard to get those 350 charter rifles out the door.
H. C.
Posts: 3691 | Location: West Virginia | Registered: 23 May 2001
What I hear is that MRC delivered all the RH short actions to charter buyers before sending any to CZ. MRC appears to be committed to delivering charter LH actions to charter buyers before sending any to CZ. CZ is waiting on LH actions for the same reason as we charter buyers are: the machine shop that was supposed to do the LH actions didn't. I guess with CZ wanting to buy lots of LH actions, there is that much more incentive (and money) for MRC to get these LH actions machined. I'm looking at the CZ deal as a positive thing.
H. C.
Posts: 3691 | Location: West Virginia | Registered: 23 May 2001
You are correct in your assumption that the picture of the Model 3 in the CZ website is a Montana Rifle Model 1999 action. Our focus is not on CZ, as a matter of fact we have large orders in house for CZ but existing customers who have orders are taking the front seat to CZ. We will continue filling orders for you before anything is sent to CZ.
Quote: This maybe very bad news for those of us waiting. Mine was supposed to be done next week. I hope I have it by fall.
Joe
Joe, On the contrary, it is good news for our customers. As I have stated in a previous post here, our existing customers will always come first. The CZ deal was obviously too good to pass up and helps us work on new products. Your actions will be shipped before "any" CZ actions are done.
Quote: The CZ's coming out in left handed are good news, (if it doesn't eat all of the company's time and resources making the actions for CZ) and if you like the WSM cartridges.(I do, but I own mine already)
I had e-mailed Dan, Scott and the website a couple of weeks ago but getting ready for the SHOT show was probably eating up all of their time.
I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW WHERE MY ACTION IS!!!!!!!!!
Fjold, My focus and the focus of our sales staff is not on CZ. They are a customer, but are not taken care of by my sales staff.
Quote: I picked up the phone after reading this thread and called Scott at Montana Rifle Co.406-755-4864
What I heard wasn't what I wanted to hear, but once again Scott as well as Dan have always been up front and candid about the information they pass along.
Scott said they are getting a few left handed actions "trickling into the machine shop" but the rest of the stuff was still at PineTree. His best guess concerning the long action I have ordered would be the end of March or perhaps later getting shipped to my gunsmith. Since I know this is a startup deal, I have been prepared for delays. John Ricks already has the right hand action from Montana.
We all want the actions ASAP and waiting is never an easy task.
Rusty and everyone else, What Scot said was true, but not quite accurate. I have spoken to Brian and he stated that they should be finishing up a small lot of the L/H Long Actions today. The reason it was a small lot, was that these were the actions that were sent to the other machine shop previously that they couldn't do. The reason they couldn't do them is because we wouldn't let them. Currently Brian says that the small lot consists of about 40 Long Left Hand Actions.
He stated also that they would begin the machining on the Left Hand Short Actions next week. The Stainless versions will come first as that is where the majority of the orders are, but it won't take long for them to finish up the whole batch of orders. The Left Hand Longs should be headed for heat treating either today or Monday. Normally heat treating takes no more than 2 days. Then they will be headed for our polishing house immediately after that. We should see them start filtering in here probably the week after next. After that the Short Left Hands will start coming in. We have told all the subcontractors that we want to ship at least 50 at a time, so when they have 50 done they are to immediately ship them.
If anyone has any other questions, or if you do not believe I answered this completely, please call or email me. My personal email address is mtrifle@montanarifleman.ccom
Glad to hear it Dan. I am prepared to wait as long as I have too. As soon as the action is done and I get to go over it, I'm planning on ordering a PH from you.
Joe
Posts: 263 | Location: Where ever Bush sends me | Registered: 13 July 2003
Quote: Glad to hear it Dan. I am prepared to wait as long as I have too. As soon as the action is done and I get to go over it, I'm planning on ordering a PH from you.
Joe
Joe, You won't be dissappointed. Everyone needs to understand (hopefully) that when my sales reps give a "estimated" date it is just that, an estimate. They are not trying to deceive, they are just trying to give you the best information that they have at hand. It will become much easier to give information now that we have our new website up. While it isn't perfect and needs some tweeking, I now have control over it. Now I can make updates to it on a weekly or even daily basis. So if you need some updates I'll be trying to put them in our "whats new" page. In fact I'm going to be putting some pictures of our prototype PH action in there soon.
Quote: could someone please tell me about this "prototype" action. thanks.
The prototype is just what it sounds like. It is not the finished product. Like I said it will be the Professional Hunter action that can handle anything from 375 H&H up to the Gibbs, Jeffries or Rigby cartridges. It will be big with a 4.00" magazine length.
Even though I am going to keep all of the mausers (I am sure you have more Springfields than I have mausers), and based on your and Dennis Olson's recommendations, I will order a couple of these actions in order to support a worthwhile venture, even though I can't afford them and don't need them. Maybe you can talk Grandview into giving me an outstanding deal (the same deal he gives you) on stocking one for me!!!
Quote: Dan, What was the payment deal you mentioned before on the PH action? Are there plans to build it in left hand?
Joe
We are looking at, and is still somewhat up in the air, that we would not take all of the $525 price up front once we reach the numbers that we need. We'll take 1/2 then and then when it is about ready to go, we'll take the other 1/2.
I just looked at the update Dan gave for 2/28 on the MRC website, and it looks like the LH longs have been screwed again. It is not MRC's fault and I thank Dan for the update, but did anyone at the machine shop think about picking up the __ing phone before stopping work on the longs and going to the shorts. I think there is a conspiracy against the lefty longs. Oh well, what's another two or three weeks...
Posts: 314 | Location: Abilene,Tx. USA | Registered: 21 October 2000
I was over there today to pick up a couple of RH shorty 4140 standards. The word I got was the pilot run of LH Longs machined OK. 20 each of stainless and 4140 running through heat treat now. A few folks might be happy.
Posts: 106 | Location: Star Meadow, Montana | Registered: 12 January 2004
