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I know that the whole heat-treating thing has been hashed out, but I have never gotten an idea as to who is the "best". So my question is: who to you use for re-heat treating? Jason "You're not hard-core, unless you live hard-core." _______________________ Hunting in Africa is an adventure. The number of variables involved preclude the possibility of a perfect hunt. Some problems will arise. How you decide to handle them will determine how much you enjoy your hunt. Just tell yourself, "it's all part of the adventure." Remember, if Robert Ruark had gotten upset every time problems with Harry Selby's flat bed truck delayed the safari, Horn of the Hunter would have read like an indictment of Selby. But Ruark rolled with the punches, poured some gin, and enjoyed the adventure. -Jason Brown | ||
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I've got three there now.....had another dozen in the past....never a problem. Just ask for the "Burgess treatment"....they know what it is unless you want a special spec as I do! /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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And another question. What does is cost? Forrest Did Burgess use Pacific? Jason "You're not hard-core, unless you live hard-core." _______________________ Hunting in Africa is an adventure. The number of variables involved preclude the possibility of a perfect hunt. Some problems will arise. How you decide to handle them will determine how much you enjoy your hunt. Just tell yourself, "it's all part of the adventure." Remember, if Robert Ruark had gotten upset every time problems with Harry Selby's flat bed truck delayed the safari, Horn of the Hunter would have read like an indictment of Selby. But Ruark rolled with the punches, poured some gin, and enjoyed the adventure. -Jason Brown | |||
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Burgess and Pac Met co-developed the heat treatment.....what you get from them is a process developed cooperatively between Pac Met and Burgess....they do it so often they just refer to it as the "Burgess treatment"..... Cost with shipping both ways is about $85-$90 for a "lot" One costs $90 and three costs $90 and last time I sent five for $90....not each...for the lot. The cost of issuing the shop order seems to be the key item.....they are a commercial heat treater and I suspect have a minimum charge and a "per pound" charge after that. I never send bolts as I've never read about a failure with the bolt....but set back in the action is the prime reason for the heat treatment it seems. /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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Vapo, Could you tell us what your "special spec" is as compared to the "Burgess treatment" and why it differs. Thanks, if its a trade secret or a special recipe I understand. Bob | |||
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It's no secret at all...it's the spec posted by D'Arcy Echols right here on this forum and it's the same as the Burgess treatment except it's 300% deeper carburization. The spec I use is adopted from Echols as I believe it makes a lot more sense.....although the "Burgess treatment" of .015 deep seems to work as well. I spec.: carburize .03 deep and harder and draw to 37-39 Rc When the receivers are returned there are certs with them to show they matched that spec. Pac Met does not often carburize that deep and last time called me to confirm the spec.....apparantly Echols usually uses another heat treater but has on occasion used Pac Met! FWIW 37-39 Rc is still quite soft and is easily filed and machined by HSS end mills and drills and taps. WWI receivers may actually check under 20 Rc before heat treatment so 38 Rc is quite an improvement. /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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You git, you really do not understand Burgess' method at all. His spec was not for .010" deep. | |||
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The Burgess method at Pacific Metallurgical has been the standard for some time now. I have two 1909s done by them, one built by Tom Burgess himself. NRA Life Member GOA Life Member Distinguished Rifleman President's Hundred | |||
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This is correct. It's what they do if you don't state a spec! /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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Rem 721 Not necessary to criticize Vapo personally if you don't agree with him. Definitely OK to disagree with him though if (as you have told me) you can back up your opinion. I am willing to listen. What is your understanding of what Tom Burgess (may he rest in peace) and PACMET worked out as a heat treatment. Kevin | |||
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Is it necessary to heat treat all mauser actions? I have a couple of Siamese mauser actions and the old smith I got them from said they were made with much higher standards and do not require heat treating. ??? Andy B We Band of Bubbas N.R.A Life Member TDR Cummins Power All The Way Certified member of the Whompers Club | |||
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There have been 1000's of Mausers sporterized without being heat treated. Some worked out fine, some didn't. Heat treating is an insurance policy, so to speak. | |||
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I would definitely run a Rockwell check before sending it out for heat treatment. Don | |||
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I have two argentines I will get back at some point that Burgess sent to Pacific. I wouldn't mess with custom specs, just have them do it his way. and maybe they don't all need it, but if I'm going to spend any money and time on something I'm going to listen to guys like D'Arcy and Tom and get the carbon added. Red My rule of life prescribed as an absolutely sacred rite smoking cigars and also the drinking of alcohol before, after and if need be during all meals and in the intervals between them. -Winston Churchill | |||
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Do we know what the old version of mausers were made from or will the Pacific shoot it with one of those laser guns thingys to figure out what alloy it is. Or does it matter when you are carborizing??? www.KLStottlemyer.com Deport the Homeless and Give the Illegals citizenship. AT LEAST THE ILLEGALS WILL WORK | |||
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There's no need for me to reveal Tom's secrets when PacMet will follow his recipe to the t. Suffice it to say that Vapodog is stroking his ego and that his spec is actually less depth than what Tom's process imparts. | |||
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