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Model 70 Win cross bolts - source?
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I stripped my left handed Model 70 Classic Safari Express (New Haven, 2004) completely down for a thorough cleaning after I got back from South Africa.

The only thing that I couldn't get out were the cross bolts. I used a Tee handle Allen wrench of the correct size but all it managed to do was strip out the hole.

I'm considering cutting a slot in the head to use a screwdriver or drilling them out.

What do you guys recommend?

Also where can I get replacement cross bolts of the exact size?

Midway says that they are discontinued and Brownell's doesn't list any for Winchesters.


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Why would you want to take out the cross bolts for cleaning? Just curious!

Are these the cross bolts you're looking for?



I couldn't find the cross bolts in the link the previous poster gave, can you direct us better?

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I might have some, let me know if you want me to look.

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Greg,

If you have a couple I'd be glad to buy them.


SSDave,

That's what they look like except that the Allen socket hole in yours looks a little larger than the ones on my stock but that just may be the close up photo.

I don't know why I decided to check them, it's just something that I do occasionally.

Gunsmith's love me. I've probably put a number of their kids through private colleges with some of my "I just wanted to look at it, projects".


Any suggestions for getting the old ones out?

I have drill presses, etc.


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This is the Winchester number for the crossbolt sleeve - U354912120


And this is the Winchester number for the screw part - U354912110

They are just a few bucks each. I had good luck calling Winchester directly for an odd-duck follower so I would call them at 800) 322-4626 and see what happens.
 
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Frank can you let us know when you get them out please? I have a 458 coming with at least one damaged, not that it bothers me too much.

Am interested to see when out and also why it was so hard to get out - high strength loctite?

Cheers, Chris


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The few cross bolts I put in were glassed in placed. One is never taking them out
 
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I glass mine in place also, they won't come out easy.

I have a few sets of those, there was a guy selling them on ebay a few years ago, they went for about $15 a set of 2. I'll let you have one if you can't locate them elsewhere.

On getting them out, I'd drill them out with a bit just slightlly smaller than the screw side of the bolt. If you guess the correct side, the screw will then separate from the rest and you can drive out the sleeve. If they're glassed in, you might have to drill all the way through with a screw sized bit, follow that up with a sleeve sized bit, and then re-glass the replacement in. To make sure you drill straight, clamp a board on your drill press table, use a bit in the chuck to drill a small hole in the board, and put in a pin that just goes into the hex recess in the crossbolt. Now you can locate the crossbolt perfectly straight under the bit to drill it.

If you have to drill all the way out, drill with a size that is equal to the screws size first, not the sleeve. If you try to drill full size, the bit will go out one side, and then wander away from the harder metal into the wood.

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Numrich has them in stock. Part # 254400 and 255390.


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When I got home from Namibia a few years back, I found that the front cross bolt was loose and I could push both halves in an out of the stock. I took it out and looked at it then and it was not glassed in place.

Since then the rifle has been to my gunsmith for a trigger job and I told him that the front cross bolt had come loose, so he may have put something on the threads.


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I glass mine in place also, they won't come out easy.

I have a few sets of those, there was a guy selling them on ebay a few years ago, they went for about $15 a set of 2. I'll let you have one if you can't locate them elsewhere.

On getting them out, I'd drill them out with a bit just slightlly smaller than the screw side of the bolt. If you guess the correct side, the screw will then separate from the rest and you can drive out the sleeve. If they're glassed in, you might have to drill all the way through with a screw sized bit, follow that up with a sleeve sized bit, and then re-glass the replacement in. To make sure you drill straight, clamp a board on your drill press table, use a bit in the chuck to drill a small hole in the board, and put in a pin that just goes into the hex recess in the crossbolt. Now you can locate the crossbolt perfectly straight under the bit to drill it.

If you have to drill all the way out, drill with a size that is equal to the screws size first, not the sleeve. If you try to drill full size, the bit will go out one side, and then wander away from the harder metal into the wood.

dave


Thanks Dave,

I remember that the screw head was on the right side of the stock so I'll drill through that side with a bit just large enough to get the screw head off.

I'll order some from Numrich.



Thanks for all the help guys!


Frank



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If Numrich doesn't work out, PM me I found the 2 that I have.
 
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Thanks all, I ordered them from Numrich. 2 sets for $44.50 including shipping.


Frank



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I bought mine from Winchester. A five minute talk and they were in the mail for less than $10 IIRC.
 
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