I just read Steve Acker's article in Dec/Jan "Machinist Workshop" magazine on the Chapman safety, fixture, and cutters.

http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/store/ProductDetail.aspx?p=5474&title=M-98+SWING+SAFETY+CONVERSION&s=12677#12677
http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/store/ProductDetail.aspx?p=5473&title=SAFETY+MILLING+FIXTURE

http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/store/ProductDetail.aspx?p=8010&title=SHROUD+SAFETY+INSTALLATION+TOOLING&s=20325#20325


It looks like $100 in tooling and $20/ safety.

I have one on a Siamese. While it works well, it ain't exactly purty...

I ould get the PME safety, as it's polished and hardened.

What mill ya got? this might work ONCE on a drill press, but I doubt it

jeffe

I have the PME version of a 2-pos. safety on a Mark X, and I like it very much. I think it looks better than some (not all) 3-postion safeties. I had a 'smith do the install, using a shroud from a military 98.

I can see another milling machine installed reasonably priced safety that uses the same cutters for instalation by Accurate Arms Reloading Forum contributor J Wisner [image]http://www.brownells.com/Images/Products/724015120.jpg[/image]

http://www.brownells.com/Images/Products/724015120.jpg

But the PME looks like a shroud with an already installed safety for $150, and I have dozens of Mausers that want safetys.

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http://www.midwayusa.com/midwayusa/applications/mediasvr.dll/image?saleitemid=656686

There is also Gentry with a shroud

And Dakota Arms with a shroud:

And NEGC with a shroud:

http://www.brownells.com/Images/Products/339500098.jpg

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Clark - When I bought it, J. Wisner was PME, and offered 2-position safety "kits" as well as custom shrouds w/ 3-position safeties. I was referring to the 2-position "kit". I also own one of the 3-position models, but it has not been installed yet.

I offer a two position safety kit similar to the Chapman safety.

I also offer a new machined sleeve with a three position safety lever.

Do a search as this has been discussed here in this forum before.

Just tonight I machined six M98 military sleeves to accept the two position kit. A good mill is really nice, since it removes most of the chances of error's.

Jim Wisner
Custom Metalsmith

Jim Could you post a pic of your three position sleeve and if possible one of the completed installation...Selling price? Thanks..Ron G.

I second RGG 7's request.

Although I've used the Dekota 3 position safety on several rifle & generaly like them my complaint is that the firing pin hole is not broach cut it entire length as is should be. The firing pin hole is drilled out for most of its length & only broached for about the last 3/32". IMO this allows for unnecessary slop in the firing pin fit. Yes I know it is obviously a cost cutting measure but I sure don't like it. Do any of the other 3 position M98 safetys have a fully broached firing pin hole? They are rather too pricy to buy one of each to find out !

PS: I hate the "Chapman type" 2 position safetys. They are the ultimate in sloppy safetys. Cutting away the top of the shroud for swing clearence allows the rear of the cocking piece to till upward & at an awkard angle affecting sear engagement. Not to mention the huge gap for dirt & crude to get lodged in front of the cocking piece. Just my 2 cents worth.

BTT

Doug, you need to design, and build you're own Mauser saftey.

The problem is in manufacturing not designing one.

I must have got lucky. I bought several low scope safetys from Gunparts and they worked with very litte polishing and fitting. Sometimes it is better to be lucky than good! derf

I have an uncle that owns and runs his own CNC machine shop. I have toyed with the idea of designing and manufacturing several classic style accessories that I couldn't find. I have even gone so far as to look into the basics of CNC programming, as I imagine that would be one of the more expensive startup costs.

Todd

Jim is the firing pin hole in your shrouds brooched its entire length? or just at the end?

rgg7, parryj
Sorry guy's but have not had time to figure out my wife's camera and post a pic. Been talking to scrollcutter and will more than likely have him show me how it is done.

D Hummbarger re. 3 position safety
The bulk of the hole is the same dia as the firing pin. I leave about .280 to .300 in the end of the hole to be broached, This allows two teeth of the broach to be in the metal at the same time.
The design of the safeties is the simple part, you have certain things that have to set dims. Then some other things can be changed to suit shape.
The machining of the sleeve is something else, I make my own carbide tipped hollowmills to cut the trepanned hole.
You also have to figure out how to index the sleeve for the different cuts. The 2 mmpt x 60 degree buttress thread and its indexing will make you sratch your head. You need to remember that for the last 14 years I have cut these threads on a Hortz mill with a special fixture and carbide cutter at 750 rpm.

Jim Wisner
Custom Metalsmith