I have an early 1930s production Mauser, civilian version.....

Not long ago, while teaching some Boy Scouts to handload.... You always have one kid who has to do what you tell him not to do, just so he can see what happens....

I was doing reduced loads with them, teaching them about handloading and then taking them out to the range and let them shoot what they loaded...

of course the one little punk I am referring to here, wondered what would happen if he put twice as much gunpowder into the case....

well he found out at the expense of wrecking the bolt on my 1930's German built Mauser...barreled in 22.250....

I am rebarreling this rifle and putting a new stock on it, to serve as a bench rifle....

The result of the double charge this little PUNK caused sheared off part of the ring that grabs the case near the extractor....

This rifle has a Timney trigger on it, I love Mausers and especially A Civilian made one before old Adolph and the Nazi's took over....

any experiences by experienced gunsmiths would be appreciated very much...
cheers
seafire

Glad to hear nobody was hurt, however disappointed that that little kid didn't get some hot gasses in the face or something to teach him a lesson with.

Boy do I hate those Punk kids (why the capital 'P' you ask? Well you see in my dictionary, under 'P' you find POS little shit who has no respect for another person's property.)

Now that thats over with, I don't quite understand what was damaged here and whether or not it is a scrap on the bolt.

If you can, post a pic or maybe go into a little more detail.

-Spencer

hi....i know how you feel same thing happened with my Cogswell .375 H&H due to an old "sweaty" round, what I would suggest is that you correctly TIG micro-weld that bit if its still with you or you can make one from grade-A steel and will have to fashion it with a file and fine sandpaper after micro-welding it on there......IMO i don't think that this little "lip" adds much to the strength of the bolt, its purpose being correctly positioning the cartridge in the bolt, once it is cycled to chamber a fresh round, also adding support the the left side of the case rim.....hope this helps..... yeah! an if u see dat kid again.... whack him on the head...from my side!

regards,

zubin

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Originally posted by seafire/B17G:
I have an early 1930s production Mauser, civilian version.....

Not long ago, while teaching some Boy Scouts to handload.... You always have one kid who has to do what you tell him not to do, just so he can see what happens....

I was doing reduced loads with them, teaching them about handloading and then taking them out to the range and let them shoot what they loaded...

of course the one little punk I am referring to here, wondered what would happen if he put twice as much gunpowder into the case....

well he found out at the expense of wrecking the bolt on my 1930's German built Mauser...barreled in 22.250....

I am rebarreling this rifle and putting a new stock on it, to serve as a bench rifle....

The result of the double charge this little PUNK caused sheared off part of the ring that grabs the case near the extractor....

This rifle has a Timney trigger on it, I love Mausers and especially A Civilian made one before old Adolph and the Nazi's took over....

any experiences by experienced gunsmiths would be appreciated very much...
cheers
seafire

I agree with SCR, you should post a picture. Alot of us are very interested in seeing the damage patterns different types of actions incur.

Since you mention you will be rebarrelling and restocking this action, you might as well replace the bolt with another. You'll have to do a bit of stoning to shine it up and weld on another handle, but its not that big of a deal really.

As an Eagle Scout myself, I commend you for introducing the boys to shooting and reloading, but from a "today's reality" standpoint, I think you're asking for a liability lawsuit. My unsolicited advice would be to stick to factory ammo for the kids, reload for yourself.

Best regards,

Dan

why not just replace the bolt since you're rebarreling anyway. Mauser bolts are cheap.

Rojelio

If you feel attachment to that bolt, you could get it tig welded and dressed back down again.

If you don't care too much how it looks, maybe you could build-up a rim of epoxy and file/sand down to fit.

The young man in question is a friend of the family and I do get parental approval before I ever let their kids do anything... I also get a signed permission slip....

I also do everything one on one with each kid....
Problem is we all have wives and I don't know what their malfunction is but they just don't seem to get the complication of handloading.... and feel any time they want to stick their head in the garage and give us that.. Oh Honey I need your help for a few minutes... or Honey will you do me a quick favor and go get....because I am watching something on TV and I don't want to miss it....

There opinions are that " oh the men are just out playing in the garage with their guns".....

Well it was during one of those " oh honey please help me for a minute.. with some female mindless thing... that the earth was going to end if it didn't get done right that minute type thing...."

Tell the kid to don't touch nothing until I return... but since there was no adult there to watch him... of course he had to do his little thing....
This kid is a brilliant kid whose mom is a divorced social disaster.... So he spends more time being a wise ASS than a wise kid....

Needless to say He won't get to touch any more powder.... I let them resize, deprime, clean in the tumbler and reinstall the primers and seat the bullet... but only ME handles the powder after that incident....

If you have the inclination to slap the crap out of kids who need it, scouting is not the place to be.... we have way too many that need just that...complete with parents with the typical " MY CHILD WOULDN'T DO THAT!"

Thanks for the input tho guys...
cheers
seafire

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If you have the inclination to slap the crap out of kids who need it, scouting is not the place to be.... we have way too many that need just that...complete with parents with the typical " MY CHILD WOULDN'T DO THAT!"

I guess I won't be a scout leader anytime soon.

"YOU TOUCHED THE POWDER WHILE I WAS GONE AND DAMAGED MY GUN!?? "SMMMACK!"

-Spencer

I just spent a week at cub scout camp as a scout leader. Mostly good boys, but yes, you would like reach out and touch them once in awhile.

I'm thinking I wouldn't do well to deal with the attitudes displayed by some of the boys as 8 y/o's when they become teenagers

Kid's these day's simply have no concept of respect, ie if it doesn't belong to you, don't touch it!!!

Have you inspected the lugs on the bolt and the lug recess in the action? I'd be concerned that the bolt had set back in the action, in addtion to blowing the face of the bolt.

Just a word to the wise that I’m sure you’ve considered since this.

Guess who’s going to be answering some really bad questions with the cops and/or the courts the first time one of these little idiots decides to use some of the knowledge you imparted in these lessons to build a home made bomb to blow up his house and/or himself??

I was in the same position as you with a 22-250 that I screwed up during one of my experiments. I got a new bolt and it headspced OK but whenever I fire a round near or even a good bit below max. The only way to open the bolt is the old rubber mallet trick. There are absolutly no indicated presuure signs on the brass except rub marks on the rear end of the case. I suspect there is some set back into the action. It's possible that thr face of the bolt is not perpendicular to the chamber center but I truely think I got set back. Perhaps this little expose can benefit you but as for myself I wouldn't know how to verify you do or do not have set back before you pour any more money into the rifle.

I always figured somebody would come up with a double charge of Blue Dot; I didn't think it would be you however. I guess if it can happen it will happen. Really sorry to hear about it.roger

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Originally posted by Paul H:
I just spent a week at cub scout camp as a scout leader. Mostly good boys, but yes, you would like reach out and touch them once in awhile.

I'm thinking I wouldn't do well to deal with the attitudes displayed by some of the boys as 8 y/o's when they become teenagers

Kid's these day's simply have no concept of respect, ie if it doesn't belong to you, don't touch it!!!

Have you inspected the lugs on the bolt and the lug recess in the action? I'd be concerned that the bolt had set back in the action, in addtion to blowing the face of the bolt.

Paul;

You are right, kids don't show any respect at all anymore... but you can't blame the kids for that... It is mommy and daddy who can't take the time or energy to teach them respect and what is right and wrong...

I for one, never bought into the Dr. Spock crap in the 1960s on raising your kids... Too many other people did and that is what I blame the apathy and lack of respect for anything in our society on....

My son is not like that ( where did I hear that?? ) I just treat him like an adult and when he screws up we sit down and talk about it... there is a right choice and a wrong choice when you make a decision... so did you make a right one or a wrong one....I don't have to hit my son, or punish him.. Adults think he is one of the courteous and well mannered kids they ever met.. and he gets a lot of benefits for that from them....

Son of the other kids think of him as a Weenie or Mama's Boy.... But when they see rewards he gets for doing what he suppose to do, and other kids don't get the rewards because they had to be "individualistic" and a pain in the ass... after a while they end up getting the idea...

Surprisingly a lot of them come around when they are put in a positive environment and adults will spend some time with them... as opposed to being too busy glued in front of the TV or something else worthless...

cheers
seafire

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Originally posted by Rick 0311:
Just a word to the wise that I’m sure you’ve considered since this.

Guess who’s going to be answering some really bad questions with the cops and/or the courts the first time one of these little idiots decides to use some of the knowledge you imparted in these lessons to build a home made bomb to blow up his house and/or himself??

Rick;

No offense but that is why I don't live in California... hopefully we are exposed a lot less in rural Oregon to the sue happy theory....

Teaching a kid how handloading is done, is no where near teaching him how to make a home made bomb... It is still back to the responsibility of the parents that have the kid....

If we all went thru life avoiding any little thing we might get sued upon... we would never leave the confines of our home.....

cheers
seafire

Roger:

It was not a double charge of blue Dot... actually it was a double charge of SR 4756....The load techniques I show the kids, is to have each case turned upside down until it is to have the powder put in.. then the bullet is seated before you go on to the next one....

Now the kids just don't touch the powder, period...

Anyway, we all know.. crap happens....

cheers
seafire

If you believe that living outside of California somehow exempts you from ridiculous law suits or intrusion from Federal Law Enforcement agencies investigating home made bombs then all the best to you, and good luck with your scouts.

Rick:

I am sure your intentions are good and honorable in your advise....

I just refuse to live in a country that I have to spend all of my time worrying about making "liberal" government agencies happy... and dodging sue happy lawyers.....

I can make a lot more money in life elsewhere, but I moved here for a reason... It doesn't shield you from all the social problems in this nation... but you are farther from the mainstream daily BS....

Homeland Security actually makes me feel we subtly live in a police state in this nation anymore any way... I don't agree with it, and most Americans think it is no big deal until they are harassed... and then they will wonder why no one did anything about it before NOW.....

But thanks for your concerns
cheers
seafire

seafire,

Don’t disagree with a word you have said...but the attitude of your young man and his parents proves my point that there are jerks and idiots living in all of our states...including Oregon.

My folks and my sister live in your beautiful state and as I am sure you already know, 90% of the people living in Oregon came from California, and their social attitudes came with them!