GAG has been kicked around here quite a bit. I have had them both turn my wood and ordered a few stocks from them. The first half dozen times I used them I was quite pleased but the quality really went down (about the time their shop burned up). A good repeat client came to me two years ago with a Mauser project and a "great deal he got off the internet" on a stock. Bottom metal did not line up, little "extra" wood on the inside (hogged out) and the 1/2" starter barrel channel was so off I could barely use it with a L-W heavy profile.

Same sort of experiences- one good two terrible- I had going back to 2004 and 2005. I'm only surprised the company is still going.

Just one experience with GAG, a buttstock for an Ithaca NID. It was very similar to what happened in the above link. Was inlet all wrong, took 6 months to get a partial refund, would never go back.

"Crook" aptly describes their business practices.

For future Internet related "Problem company's " , File a report it won't take long for the Authorities to

straighten out wise asses or out right thieves ,especially if your CC gets involved with you on the matter .
Remember if a transaction is conducted " Electronically " and the other party doesn't honor their end

of the stated or implied agreements , it can constitute a Cyber Crime or Internet Fraud . So Report Them

no one needs to put up with any of that BS , life's to short !.

We all pay for this one way or another ,SO WHY NOT USE IT !.

http://www.justice.gov/crimina...rcrime/reporting.htm

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Get together as many details about the cyber crime as you can. The more information that you can give the authorities, the more helpful you can be to the case.
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Contact the Internet Crime Complaint Center. This center was developed with the help of the FBI and makes reporting cyber crimes an easier task.
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Fill out the complaint form on the Internet Crime Complaint Center's website. After you fill out the form, you'll be e-mailed a case number. The matter will be investigated through the center and they will update you on the status.
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Call your local police department. If you are unsure of whom exactly you should report the cyber crime to, give the police a call and get their advice. If it is a criminal matter, they'll likely handle it.
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See if the cyber crime that you are reporting is a FBI matter. Local FBI offices usually handle cases of Internet harassment, Internet bomb threats and cases of Internet child pornography.

Read more: How to Report Cyber Crimes | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/how_215687...s.html#ixzz0sqBjU79Z

While y'all are busy avoiding GAG, don't forget to also avoid Richards Microfit. They're crap. Take my word for it...

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Originally posted by homebrewer:
While y'all are busy avoiding GAG, don't forget to also avoid Richards Microfit. They're crap. Take my word for it...

Dang. I was looking at Richards for a walnut stock for a 98 mauser. Where is a good place to pick up a stock?

Dressels. Roger Biesen.

The problem with Richard's Micro fit is how his wood is graded and how long it takes to get.

Exhibition grade Bastogne or English walnut for $500 Give me a break. That is not even A grade prices and he's advertising Exhibition grade.

I've been to a few gun shows and Exhibition grade wood is almost always "price on request" Meaning if you have to ask you can't afford it.

On top of the fact it takes them quite some time to deliver

It's a DAM Shame how certain wood peddlers screw up the grading system !.

It used to be set in stone and everyone adhered too that standard . Now days unscrupulous swindlers abound

or some desperate dealers had it sold too them as a particular grade which was misrepresented to begin with .

Like an unskilled GunSmith or anyone else who misrepresents their ability ,it hurts the entire industry as a

whole !. Thank Saeed , DRG and the rest of the moderators who allow us the usage of this forum !. So that we

all may become better informed about the shady characters who lie in wait to separate our hard earned money

for unacceptable services or properties !!!.

Ignore "grades", price is usually a better indicator but then again not really. Anyway while not a fan of Richards the wood itself is usually fairly priced for what you get.

Doc I believe most Custom stock builders do stick with established standards. But a production run on Exhibition grade wood???? There's no statement say "limited to stock on hand" or "please check for current stock"

It like he has an endless supply??? I've seen blanks at the custom gun guild go for more then some very nice rifles.

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Doc I believe most Custom stock builders do stick with established standards. But a production run on Exhibition grade wood???? There's no statement say "limited to stock on hand" or "please check for current stock"

It like he has an endless supply??? I've seen blanks at the custom gun guild go for more then some very nice rifles.

Kerry ; I agree as no two pieces of Stock wood are ever exactly the same ,unless book matched .

What someone is willing to pay determines the cost of the wood




I used to think I was robbing people back in the 70's getting $45.00 - 425.00 for what some

now call exhibition grade . When I was peddling wood ;

12/4 - 16/4 8"-12" X 36" slabs of Burl similar too these ran $250.00 to $425.00 .( An We shipped ! extra

for burl slab because of size and weight . ) I can remember sending an enormous book matched slab off too

Sam Maloof . One hell of a craftsman and fine gentleman . When I find time and the slides I'll zap a couple

to electronic format and show some of you the good ole days ,when we used to set around in his shop .

He created and I learned !!!. Prices now days OUCH !.Hey but what hasn't gone up right .







Typical wood slabs like these would run $45.00 -175.00 .Grain orientation was real important it determined

what went for stocks ,desk or table slabs or turning stock . Clear bole was lumber and veneer

and it belonged too the company !. Small crock branch or smaller Dia. than 10" X 8' was cast off .



This would fetch a premium with European stock makers generally 20-30% higher pricing .

They preferred darker slabs of wood .


I queses it's all relative ; thinking back on what a Nice Rifle cost then an now and the price of wood !.

Doc thoses are some beautiful samples. And I'd love to have those prices too.

In the 70's $250 was rent on a three bedroom house. So figure in inflation and that roughly $1500 to $2200 in our neck of the woods.

and you are correct it's not what the wood is worth but more of what someone will pay. Two very different things.
Just look at the diamond trade. Value is all subjective

My Dad used to always tell me "I remember when cokes were a nickel"! Sure am glad they are still not!

He was a professional baseball player in the 40's and the most he made in a year was 20k which was a mint back then!

[QUOTE]Originally posted by kcstott:
Doc thoses are some beautiful samples. And I'd love to have those prices too.

In the 70's $250 was rent on a three bedroom house. So figure in inflation and that roughly $1500 to $2200 in our neck of the woods.

I rented a 2BR house 1976-79 in Auburn, Alabama, while I was in grad.school. House was in a great neighborhood. Rent was $90.00 per month. Life was sweet.