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I just picked up a beautiful Pre 64 M 70 chambered in .375 H & H Magnum. It is of late 50's production and is in really nice condition. This particular gun does not have crossbolts installed. The most recently produced M 70 (before they went out of production) had crossbolts. Does this firearm require crossbolts or are they for heavier recoiling cartridges? If I were to have crossbolts installed, would that potentially devalue the rifle?
 
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I you are wanting to shoot the rifle a good deal, then I would glass bed it and add 2 recoil bolts. The downside is that it would definitely reduce the value. But if this is a gun you wnat to keep for many years, then I would set it up to handle the use and not worry wbout devaluation.

One option is to find another M70 stock that is not primo or is maybe already modified in some way-and then bolt and bed that stock. You could keep the stock you have now to put on the rifle if you later sell it. Of course, this adds a good deal to your costs.
 
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Get a second stock. Crossbolt it & save the original stock.



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Rick, it is a money thing, or as the old saying goes " its mind over matter, if you don't mind it don't matter". If you don't install cross bolts and bed and you crack either the web block or the tang area of stock then you would of wished you done had them installed and/or glass bedded. If your going to use it "ruggedly" Marc said it good-buy a different stock, get it set up for use and save the original. Me, I would get it taken care of and shoot, why buy another stock unless you are going into the rainy forest scenario and if that is the case then McMillan all the way.
 
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It's not uncommon for a M70 stock to crack/split in the "web" between the magazine and trigger cutouts even in the non magnum calibers. Yours might be cracked already and you just don't know it.
 
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Odds are it is already cracked between the magazine and trigger cutouts, but like said before you see that on a lot of M70's regardless of caliber.
 
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BTW, I have 2 Pre64 M70's, an '06 and a 270. Both are cracked in the web.
 
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If you don't mind glass bedding the original stock, install a 1/4" - 3/8" all-thread flush with the rear face of the recoil lug cutout and the width of the inletting. This really needs to be done with a milling machine. Do the same thing with slightly smaller diameter rod in the area between the magazine and trigger mortice. After you glass it, nobody cam see it from the inside or the outside. Of course, any alteration (even just glass bedding) to the original stock will lessen it's collector value. The advice to get a new stock is good.


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Jack Lott wrote a great article, I think it was in the 1984 Gun Digest (or a year or two before or after) titled something along the lines of "The Stopping Rifle Stock". Again I haven't read the article in many, many years. Anyway, it shows a great way to put what would best be called "internal" crossbolts that don't alter the appearance of the outside of the stock. He claims they are every bit as strong as the classical "through and through" type crossbolts.
I will try and dig it out and give you the exact year and page numbers. Might be worth a look.
 
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yes, it is in the '84 edition. I read that back in '84 and have done many, many rifles just like that. Have one in the shop to do like that right now. It all comes down to if you like the bolts showing or not. I consider both equal in terms of strength.
 
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Get a second stock. Crossbolt it & save the original stock.


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Originally posted by congomike:
Jack Lott wrote a great article, I think it was in the 1984 Gun Digest (or a year or two before or after) titled something along the lines of "The Stopping Rifle Stock". Again I haven't read the article in many, many years. Anyway, it shows a great way to put what would best be called "internal" crossbolts that don't alter the appearance of the outside of the stock. He claims they are every bit as strong as the classical "through and through" type crossbolts.
I will try and dig it out and give you the exact year and page numbers. Might be worth a look.


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Your right, it was the 1984 Ed of Gun Digest. The title of the article by Lott is "The Bolt Action Stopper Stock" (pgs 193-201). There's a whole bunch of good advice in the article. I've used the techniques Lott describes on a half dozen or so stocks over the years and have yet to have a stock failure.
 
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Rick,

Just today I picked up a copy of the 1984 Gun Digest with the article "The Bolt Action Stopper Stock. " If you can't find the article in a more convenient way, send an Email with your mailing address and I will send a copy of the article.

You can Email me direct at lazyhent@lazyhent.com

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IMHO< i would leave it as it is,for the value of the gun. Cross bolts were installed in firearms to help give strenght to the stock. Browing did it in there Safari model,Husky did it,and for years Remington had a cross bolt of sorts that nobody rell paid attention to. It was a brass threaded rod that went all throught the stock in thesame area. In the finishedproduct all one saw is a litte circle of brass about .100" dia.
 
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