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| I wish you good luck with your work, I think it is very important. I too am appalled at the lack of concern for the public that Beretta/Sako/Tikka has shown over these failures. This is unconscionable for anyone to have so little concern for another human beings welfare, even a corporate giant. We are all waiting to see how this turns out and are behind those who bring Beretta/Sako/Tikka to justice. As for me, a total boycott of Beretta/Sako/Tikka is the rule of the day. I will not buy anything from them unless they own up and make it right with those who were wronged or injured. They deserve much better treatment, as we all do, from a company that depends on us for their livelyhood. What makes this so outrageous is Tikka replacing a gun on the list of defective ones with another one on the list! Where'd this bozo come from!!!!, and what does this say about Tikka's competency to do business. |
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| I just remeberered something-call Krieger and ask them why they won't make lightweight 416 SS barrels. THey now make 410 SS barrels in lighter contours. They get asked about it a lot. WIsh they would type up a couple of paragraphs explaining why they won't mak elightweight BBLs from 416 |
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| Thank you sir! JCN |
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| hi MLG did you get my mail? regards danny |
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| Bobby, that's strange ,I had looked at the North America part of the site - no stainless steel.But now looking at the International part there is stainless steel . |
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| Any translation for that site? Thanks for the post. |
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| I have never seen a case split in the same fashion as the barrel. The chamber had to fail that way for the case to split that way. Bad stuff what ever the cause and Beretta has some problems on their hands. A friend had a new Win 1895 KB on him last year. Winchester saw the light and agreed to share the blame with him-kept a really nasty lawyer out of it. |
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| I don't think an SEM is necessary an ordinary optical microscope should do ,I did lots of failure analysis optically.I don't know the Seattle area but there should be a school with a good materials eng dept considering Boeing and other high tech companies.Perhaps they could do it or at least provide the name of a reputable test lab . |
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| Thanks Danny. |
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| I'm not certain that the mechanics from previous failures you have mentioned, can be directly tied to this failure. If the barrel failed due to excessive hardness, I suspect the momentum of the 3 masses of barrel exiting would split most receivers.
Maybe I'm jumping the gun, but have you seen previous failures on a center fire where the barrel split longitudinally into 3 separate and distinct pieces? Ductile material tends to behave much differently then brittle material. From what I see, this was a brittle barrel (relatively speaking).
What I am surprised with is why did this failure not occur when the rifle was proof tested? Sako's website mentions the testing of each rifle. I guess we will hear more as time passes. |
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I have not heard a word about that here in Sweden. Would you kindly post some links to news reports about it here in Sweden. And we haven�t discussed it at all in the swedish forums.
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Fritz
http://www.robsoft.nu/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=17481
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| I wonder if a hardness test of the action like Pac-Nor does before a rebarrel would indicate anything out of the ordinary. |
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| I will try and get over to the Seattle area and take some more detailed pictures.
The Sako guy will have to explain why there have been at least four identical catastrophic failures in a period of three months while they took no meaningful steps to get the word out and prevent more needless injuries.
They will also have to provide their reports during the discovery phase. I have testified in both medical and ballistics cases (how's that for a diverse career path). Even though I'm just a hillbilly country doctor I have prevailed against the fancy expert whores by not talking down to the jury or judge and at the same time using analogies that they can readily understand.
Do you know of a lab to do the scanning EM and hardness testing? The last EM work I did was in school in 1977 (yikes).
I think in the end it will come down to guns blowing up and injuring people in Australia, Canada, Sweden and the US while the company didn't even deign to put a notice on their web site. That is what offends me.
Thanks for your help and advice; We very much appreciate it.
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| What caliber was the Sako that blew up? I have a 300WSM...it appears from the picture it may be a 300winmag? |
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