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Guys: Perhaps not the technically correct forum to pose this, however, I know the crowd that "hangs our" here is pretty savvy on this so thought I would ask here... So today I was cruising a local used gun rack and came across an interesting rifle. On the barrel it was marked "Marketing Unlimited", somewhere in Washington state. The rifle was apparently made by Voere in Austria and appeared to possibly carry an "M3000" model designation. It was full-on 1970's stock, with Weatheryby-esque styling but seemed very well done. The action was a LR 98 Mauser, looked like an FN, but could not see any Belgian proofs or other markings. Had a pretty interesting tang sliding tang safety. And it was chambered in 25-06. Also had nice open sights and the rear had a flip up leaf for 200 yards. Was curious to know if anyone had ever seen these or knew any specific details. Really piqued my interest and may have to go back for another look..... | ||
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Marketing Unlimited was an importer based in Yakima Washington. Nothing "apparent" about the Voere mfg. It's a Voere. Tang safety? I think you might mean the safety catch/lever is on the top of the bolt shroud. Something like this: Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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No, I meant tang safety, like this Voere I located. | |||
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Very interesting. I like it. Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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The action was a LR 98 Mauser, looked like an FN, but could not see any Belgian proofs or other markings. Had a pretty interesting tang sliding tang safety. And it was chambered in 25-06. Also had nice open sights and the rear had a flip up leaf for 200 yards. Was curious to know if anyone had ever seen these or knew any specific details. Really piqued my interest and may have to go back for another look.....[/QUOTE] Voere used military 98 actions until their supply ran out. After that the commercial actions they used were supplied by Santa Barbra in Spain. Same actions used by a number of builders such as Parker Hale. Nothing wrong with the actions and I think Voere polished them up a little more than some builders did so they are quite smooth.I have several of them an they all shoot real well. Voere made good barrels. Somewhere on the bottom of the action you will find Spain stamped. | |||
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Snowman- thank you, that is very helpful and informative. Question for you- what would you estimate as a good price for a nice example in 25-06? Looks totally original in very good condition showing very little to no wear and few stock bruises here and there? Can’t find many comparables out there on the interwebs... BB | |||
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A neighbor has one like it in .30-06, and I have seen several for sale over the years. Those that I have seen for sale, sold for anywhere from $500 to $1000 and were all nicely put together. One morning I shot an elephant in my pajamas. How he got into my pajamas I'll never know. - Groucho Marx | |||
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I have also seen those Voeres. The tang safety is an aluminum bolt on piece and definitely looked added on if you like that sort of thing. | |||
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I hope the OP didn't buy it. I had one maybe five, six, seven years ago in .270 WCF. With the tang safety. One of the worst rifles I've owned. Walk away from it. Don't be spellbound by the tang safety. Want a DECENT rifle with a tang safety? Buy an early, good condition, Ruger 77. Look past the tang safety and evaluate the rifle on everything else. Especially how well the magazine feeds AND if it doesn't when full, every now and again, spew its contents out of the bottom. Just saying..! | |||
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Blackbart I have a couple other comments about these rifles. At present I own 6 of them and recently sold another. I have a 243,a 6.5x68,a 7mm Rem,a 30-06, a 300 Win a 308 Norma and recently sold a 375 H&H. Everyone of them feeds slicker than snott no matter if there is 1 round in the mag or if it is full. I have never had the magazine floorplate open under recoil and if recoil was going to cause an issue I'm sure the 375 would have been the problem child. As for the tang safety maybe not everyones cup of tea but I have never had an issue with the safety on any of my rifles . They operate smoothly, quietly and can be pushed off as you raise the rifle to your shoulder. There are a couple short comings to these rifles. They are rather lightly stocked and may crack when chambered in a heavier recoiling rifle. Most wood stocks have that problem. So they should be glass bedded. The other issue I had with the 375 was the magazine was just too short. Heavier bullets had to be seated very deep. I was offered way more for that rifle than I paid for it so it went to a new home. I replaced it with a CZ 550 with a real magazine. All 6 of the rifles I have all shoot an inch or less groups @ 100 yds. I would suggest you could do a lot worse than a Voere rifle | |||
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A friend of mine found one for sale a few years ago, interesting rifle. His is in 30/06. The thing I like about his rifle is the pin point accuracy with anything you put in it. 150, 165, 180 grain factory loads of 2 different brands and my handloads of 165 and 180 grain could cover them all with a golf ball at 100 yards. Very nice rifle. | |||
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I have owned four or five of these. The only con I experienced is that much material is hogged out of the stock for that tang safety add on. It makes the stock prone to breakage. Otherwise it is a simply a commercially sporterized K98. Some had three holes drilled in the rear bridge, others only two. Those with three holes can utilize both FN 98 one piece bases or Unaltered 98 bases. I still have one in .30-06. It is a handy, light weight rifle and plenty accurate. Sometimes called the model 2175 as well. Aut vincere aut mori | |||
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Guys: Thanks to all for the feedback and insight, especially Snowman, truly appreciated! After learning that it was a Spanish made Mauser, I was slightly less interested. Also, while I generally like the 25-06, I somehow don't see that round as being the "soul-mate" for a LR 98 action. Nonetheless, went to the shop that had it on Christmas eve with a plan to see if they negotiate a little. Turns out it was sold a few days prior at the $450 tag price, FWIW. Best, BB | |||
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