Gentlemen,

We have quite a bit of DEVCON titanium bedding compound - expired in 2003!!? But still works great.

I have been using it on a number of rifles and, and have had no problems whatsoever.

Yesterday I went to bed a rifle, and discovered we have no more release agent.

I seem to remember reading here that some sort of car wax can be used instead. So I went to the store and bought two liquid wax and two sort of light paste type wax.

Which one should I use - or if any of you has any better idea of what to use I would appreciate it.

It has to be something that is easily available.

While waiting for an answer, I took an old discarded barrel, coated a section of it with each of the above waxes. I am planning to put some bedding compound on it, and see how well the wax works as a release agent.

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciate it.

I've never used car wax as a release agent but some guys do. What I use is a paste wax (Johnson's) that is made for wooden floors and furniture. Have yet to have a stuck action.

I'm with Craigster on this. You might check with Tommy Meredith on this.
Butch

I've used paste wax, PAM (cooking spray) and Vaseline petroleum jelly. Using PAM was a near disaster, the barreled action came out but it took a little more persuasion than I'm use to. The other two worked fine.

Terry

http://www.mcmaster.com/

In product search, type in "release agents" and all kinds of stuff shows up. Maybe this site can help you....?

Saeed,

A good paste car wax, or a paste rifle stock wax with Carnuba in will work perfectly. Johnson's paste floor wax works too.
I've used the car and stock wax for a release agent and it does the job. I would not be interested in using the spray type waxes.

Don

Bardahl and Petrolium jelly have worked for me. roger

Like DMB,I've been using car wax with carnuba for years with no problems at all.

The only 100% releasing agent I have ever used is Johnson's Paste Wax. Eveyrthing else I have used has stuck at least a little every now and then. The Johnson's Paste Wax is also the easiest for me to apply and to remove.

When applying, i just wad up a paper towel and dip it in the wax, or more often, just stuck a couple of fingers in it and rub over the total surface of the metal. I use Q-tips for getting in screw holes and tight to reach places. For male screw heads, I just dip them in the wax and spin a little. i then twirl the treads in my fingers to be double sure they are totally covered

I clean up with acetone on a paper towel.

With every other release aganet I have used, I have made a really cool one-piece gun at soem point. I stopped trying to find other release agents.

Another good thing about Johnson's is that a tin of it will last for almost an entire gunamking career! I think little wax fairies come in the shop at night and replinish it or something. Not matter how much I use it, the tin never seems to have less wax in than the same time a year before.

Marc: I am assuming you just let the paste wax dry...you don't buff it when it dries a bit like you would normally use paste wax?
pls. advise.

Tom

With the paste wax, do not buff off!

Pam or vegetable oil works well with Accuglas.

I don't buff it. DOn't want to take the chance of getting a spot of bare metal. Been there, done that, broke the stock!

Hey Saeed.....I know things have been tough.....price of oil and all....you know....so as a gesture of international cooperation, If you PM me your address, I'll send you a spray release from Brownells.....just call it a thank you for the free calandars you have sent me these last several years!

Another + for Johnson's paste wax. Used it for my first stock 45 years agon and haven't needed anything else. Never a stuck stock or anxious moment (I do put 2 coats on ). Added benifit is it is a good coating for long term storage on both the metal and wood surfaces.

Saeed,
I think you got the answer to the release agent part.
Now about the expiration date.
Put your Devcon in the refrigerator next to the beer. The lower temperature will much extend the shelf life.
However if you can afford titanium filled Devcon why worry about release agent? Just throw the rifle way and buy another after you burn out the glued in barrel.

Shoe polish. The little, round, pop-top tin of paste wax shoe polish.
Kiwi brand neutral color is my favorite.
Use it just like the Johnson's Paste wax.
The PAM/vegetable oil cooking spray worked fine the few times I have tried it too.

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Originally posted by RIP:
Shoe polish. The little, round, pop-top tin of paste wax shoe polish.
Kiwi brand neutral color is my favorite.

I'll second that reccomendation. It's the best I've used.

Johnson's floor wax has been the magic potion for me ... but I stopped trying things after it worked so well.

Good luck Saeed!

I bought a big can of bowling alley paste wax at Wally World. Works great.

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Originally posted by vapodog:
Hey Saeed.....I know things have been tough.....price of oil and all....you know....so as a gesture of international cooperation, If you PM me your address, I'll send you a spray release from Brownells.....just call it a thank you for the free calandars you have sent me these last several years!

vapodog,

I appreciate your offer, but my problem is Brownells would not ship certain items - not their fault, but due to air regulations.

Well, I tried all the different car wax I mentioned earlier, and all of them work. Some needed a bit more pull to take them off.

I am getting some mould release, and will try that.

The expired date on the DEVCON does not seemt o both ir at all. It seems to work just as well as when it was new.

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The expired date on the DEVCON does not seem

The Devcon will eventually fail to setup if not stored properly.
A similar quality product 3M structural adhesive will last 8 or 10 years past it's expiration date.

Any type of " Quality " high content Carnuba paste way will work for a release agent at least once . Most release agents are just that wax !.


Some have different properties some are liquid some are silicone or PTFE based ( Teflon ). Meguires RV wax is high carnuba . Kahars is another one TR is another one .

Floor wax works also ( But not as well if exotherm is higher ) . By product of chemical reaction when mixing resins or epoxies . Heat process !.


Having worked in composites for a long time ,
38 years to be exact . I can safely say Two three or four coats are better than one . ALWAYS BUFF each coat before wiping on the next one . I NEVER leave the release on in it's raw form ( with out buffing ). In other words polish or buff with a clean rag prior to setting resins epoxies Etc.
Professionals always buff molds so as the part to be released mirrors the mold !!!!!.
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Most true epoxies !. Most will not go bad if unopened and stored at a reasonable temperature !. Devcon is some of the BEST !. I ought to know !. ...

+1 on the furniture wax, mine is MinWax.

When Devcon first came out with Plastic Steel In the late 50's I asked them what to use and they reccommended Simoniz paste auto wax ( I don't know if it's even still made) . I worked for Armstrong Rubber Co. at the time and we were using it for industrial applications not gun bedding. The Simoniz worked perfectly. I would think Johnsons paste floor wax is about the same.

I use Kiwi neutral shoe polish as a release agent .Clean metal parts and mask off clearances with high quality masking tape. Heat the barreled action slightly with a spotlight from aproximately 12". Use cotton patches and q-tips to apply a thin coat of wax.
Let sit for ten minutes and buff with another cotton patch.Done.
Chet Brown used a mold release wax in making stocks . I have experimented with most common used products but the Kiwi shoe wax -$2.59 Cdn /can works best and is easy to find and use.
I used Devcon titanium paste once to bed an older laminated benchrest stock . I worked at 80 degrees air temperature . I even used the spotlight to heat the compound in the stock for 30 seconds + while stirring . This gets rid of air bubbles and makes the compound thinner .
Then I quickly drop in the barreled action. This worked well using Bisonite but the new can of Devcon was still so thick at this point I had to literally stand on that barreled action to get it to the right depth in the stock . I used a paintcoat of accraglass later on this job -it dial indicated .0015 movement and shot great.
Does anyone using the Devcon titanium have an answer to this problem ? Or do you just paintcoat the titanium bedding job with Marine tex ?
I also recently received some new bedding compound from Robertson Composites that I will use soon.

Glenn

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Originally posted by Stonewall:
Does anyone using the Devcon titanium have an answer to this problem ? Or do you just paintcoat the titanium bedding job with Marine tex ?

Glenn

It may be that the Devcon sample you have has started the polymerization process before you mixed it.

Don