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Does Timney make a dangerous product???
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I was wondering about this statement,

�I Keep posting this every time this question arises, because it's worth repeating. Don't use the Timney, IMHO, it's a dangerous trigger for the model 70. Their other trigger are super, but the m70 trigger changes the angle of the sear pivot, which allows the bolt to be pushed downward, by a bump, carrying the rifle, etc., with the safety on and when the safety is released it will fire. Long story short explaination.�

I would like to see some opinions.

Thank you,

Roland
 
Posts: 654 | Registered: 27 June 2004Reply With Quote
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I'm the one you quote in your post, so let me explain my point as clearly as I can.
On a factory M70 trigger the sear pivot is forward of the sears contact with the striker, and is under spring pressure to keep the sear in striker contact at all times. It's harder to understand than if you could see it obviously.
In the Timney trigger the sear pivot is 180 degrees changed, the pivot being behind the sears contact with the striker, and the spring pressure is only very slight, as compared to the factory sears rather heavy spring.
Should you push down on the bolt body or handle, with the safety on, the factory sear spring keeps the sear in contact with the striker, or very near it, for all practical purposes.
With the Timney the sear will be pushed down and the weight of the bolt can keep it from resetting, thus when the safety is pressed to "off" the gun can fire on it's own.
I have a Featherweight M70 in 7mm-08 that would fire every time the bolt was pushed down with the safety on, when the safety was released. In field use, the bolt could be bumped on a tree, the rifle carried in the hand with pressure placed on the bolt handle or body. There are a number of situations where the bolt can be moved with the safety on, that would allow it not to reset.
With the factory trigger/sear setup this situation cannot happen. This is my humble opinion of the faults of the Timney M70 trigger. I use Timney triggers in all my Rugers and love them, I just feel the M70 Timney has a fatal flaw. This is only my opinion, as I saw it from the rifle I tried to install it in. As to the trigger pull, it was fantastic, it just didn't seem safe. If I were to make a varmint hunting rig out of a M70, then I would consider the M70 Timney, but not for normal hunting, not for me.
I don't like to torpedo any manufacturers product, but in this case, the trigger is not safisfactory, and should be redesigned. I've worked on rifles for many, many years and this is the first time I've run across this type of problem with an aftermarket trigger.
The good news is that there is no reason the M70 factory trigger can't be made very, very fantastic. I'm one of those gunsmiths that is not afraid to admit that I don't know something. I have worked on a few M70 triggers that didn't need much work, and they turned out nice. But mine required more than just normal clean up. So, I sent it to Mark Penrod of Penrod Precision in Indiana and he had the machinery the repin the trigger and do a trigger job that is simply fantastic.
I hope I cleared up at least some of the questions you have about the Timney. They make fine products, but I fear the M70 offering from them needs more work before it's "ready for prime time".
 
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Bobby,

Do you now anybody else whom encountered the same problem.
I asked for some more opinions, it seems like nobody replies.

Roland
 
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