I too wish I knew for sure... I'd like to know how this action might stack up against others I'm currently considering. It could be worth waiting for!
Have you tried the email on their website? It isn't very obvious, but it is there if you scroll down). I had problems with the website one day, but it was OK another time, so try a couple of times if you have to.
We have had to put our action work on hold for the last several weeks due to our prior obligations with current customers, but we will be jumping back onto the project very shortly.
One of the biggest hold-ups has been the turning work that is necessary on the bolt and other misc. components. We planned on contracting that work out, but either the price that we were quoted was too high, or the quality of the product was too low. We have since decided in aquiring the equipment to do all of the work in house. With any luck, if everything goes as planned, we should be getting some prototypes moving within the next couple of months.
We appreciate your patience, and we will do our best to make sure that your wait was not in vane.
Posts: 1021 | Location: Prineville, OR 97754 | Registered: 14 July 2002
Ok, Keep working soo we can see some finished actions within a week or two
What about Argentine floorplates? Are they even on the production list of just thoughts It would be very nice if they already had left the drawing board.
Ok, Keep working soo we can see some finished actions within a week or two
What about Argentine floorplates? Are they even on the production list of just thoughts It would be very nice if they already had left the drawing board.
/ JOHAN
What a slave driver
The Mauser bottom metal is really on the backburner right now. We want to concentrate all of our efforts towards getting this action into production. Once the actions are on board, we'll begin tackling the smaller jobs that we've be debating for quite a while.
Posts: 1021 | Location: Prineville, OR 97754 | Registered: 14 July 2002
Wait! We need Walterhog in Prineville!! I know a Cafe that has a burger and fry plate a ordinary mortal cannot consume at one sitting, we need Walter to conduct field training for the rest of us that failed the test.
And I am sure Matt's dad (A fine Texas Gentleman) can put Walter to meaningful work in the polishing room.
Posts: 1055 | Location: Real Sasquatch Country!!! I Seen 'Em! | Registered: 16 January 2001
Is your action design far enough along that you can comment on its gas handling capability? I'm very impressed by the thought and effort that went into the M1999's safe handling of case failure, and I'd like to be able to compare it to your action before making a purchase decision. How does your action handle escaped gas and brass differently than an M70 or Mauser?
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What is your action like? When the Montana 1999 was mentioned someone said they prefered yours!
The major difference between our action and Montana's is the fact that we are machining our's from solid barstock and the raceways will be wire edm'd. We also will be offering Dave Talley bases machined integral into the receiver. There will be no casted parts on our receiver. We are not directly competing with Montana, Winchester, or Remington, rather competing with the cost of getting one of these actions up to grade for a fine quality rifle. If you spend $350.00-$600.00 on a receiver, then pay for new bottom metal, blueprinting, polishing, stoning, lapping, and other misc. items, you will easily spend twice your original amount to get the reciever ready for a fine custom rifle. What we are offering is a receiver that does not need to be blueprinted, lapped, or severely polished to obtain a final product. The finish on the receiver will be such, that if you chose to bead-blast the receiver, blast it, and you're done. No excessive toolmarks or contour mismatches. We are also incorporating several accuracy enhancements into the receiver that has not been used on any action to date. For those who enjoy hunting with in extremely accurate rifle, we'll take care of your needs. For those of you that are happy with 1+ MOA, you should be extremely happy with this action. We are not making this action to cut costs, rather to bring a higher standard to the custom rifle industry. We've been looking at the development of this receiver for over 3 years, and have done a considerable amount of research into what we liked and didn't like about existing receivers. We are putting the very best of what we know into this action, from design, to accuracy, to precision machining. The best part of all of this, is the fact that we will be able to offer these actions at $850.00 dealer cost. That's over half the price of a comparable action available today.
Posts: 1021 | Location: Prineville, OR 97754 | Registered: 14 July 2002
Is your action design far enough along that you can comment on its gas handling capability? I'm very impressed by the thought and effort that went into the M1999's safe handling of case failure, and I'd like to be able to compare it to your action before making a purchase decision. How does your action handle escaped gas and brass differently than an M70 or Mauser?
We are utilizing the Model 70 breaching system, as well as a modified Remington breach. It will have a cone bolt, but it will also be counterbored recessed into the barrel like the Remington. By chambering the barrel very accurately, and holding the counterbore diameter to minimal tolerances, it will give the bolt a secondary means of concentric location within the barrel. It will still be controlled-round fed, but will utilize Remington's counterbore concept. This will add to the strength of the action, while also improving case protrusion from .130-.140 thousands that is typically seen on Remington, down to .100". This will minimize the chance of case ruptures at excessive pressure levels. If case rupture occurs, escaping gases will be directed out of two gas holes 180 deg. apart from one another on either side of the receiver ring. Remaining gases will be directed through the firing pin hole, and subsequently out of the bolt body and blown into the mag box. Any gases that continue to down the raceway will again be diverted by a stabilizing lug, much like the pre-64, that will mainly aid in the stabilizing of the bolt during the cycle of the action. It's hard to argue about the smoothness of a pre-64. The biggest reason that they work so well is the fact that the stablizing lug supports the bolt throughout the duration of the bolt stroke. Back to the gases. In the event that the gases pass through all of these obstacles, we will have a bolt shroud that stops the gases in its tracks at the rear of the reciever bridge. The appearance will be much like Montana's shroud, considering we worked together on the design of their shroud for their actions. They came to us with a good idea about being able to incorporate a gas flange into the shroud, while still using the original model 70 sleave lock. We in turn redesigned the sleave lock and flange to be more cosmetically appealing as well as safer and easier to machine. Not to mention, the sleave lock that is used on that design of shroud much more accurately locates the shroud to the bolt. While indirectly, this improves location of cocking piece, trigger, sear, and bolt, resulting in better accuracy achievements as well as more consistent trigger pulls.
Finally, with the addition of the scope bases being machined integral into the receiver, this will add directly to the strength of the reciever ring where it counts. Also, by having a bolt diameter of .750 on our standard short and long actions, this action will be able to support a tremendous amount of bolt thrust. This will most likely be the strongest, safest action to date.
Posts: 1021 | Location: Prineville, OR 97754 | Registered: 14 July 2002
quote:Originally posted by InfoSponge: Thanks, Matt.
Will you also be doing destructive testing and publishing the results of those tests?
Absolutely. Every new action or design change of anykind, that may result in a change of safety or reliability, will be thoroughly tested, not only here in our own facility, but at H.P. White as well before being introduced to the marketplace. Safety is of our utmost concern. This is not the place for corners or shortcuts to be made.
Posts: 1021 | Location: Prineville, OR 97754 | Registered: 14 July 2002
One last pair of question, if I may. You mentioned Talley bases, but will that be the only option for the machined in bases? I think you mentioned in the past that a plain, unmachined square bridge would be available. Is this still the plan, and are there any plans for other machined base options?
We will be offering a square bridge design that is untapped, and can be modified to fit whatever your heart's desire. The other option that we will make available is the Picatinny, or Weaver-style base. While that design has never been widely accepted in the guild as a premier base for mounting scopes on fine rifles, it is without a doubt, the strongest design that I know of, and we have a lot of our customers in the tactical fields that are anxiously awaiting their arrival. Unfortunately, when people here Weaver, they associate it with the K-mart specials that you stick on a Savage with a plastic stock, but the industry is full of quality rings based off of this design that are made of quality steel, and machined quite accurately. The main benefit that we are trying to achieve by using the integral base, is accuracy. The bore, locking abutments, threads, and bases, will be machined in a single operation on our Vertical Machining Center. This will ensure virtually perfect alignment between the scope base height and width, to the boreline of the rifle. And because we will not be heat treating the reciever after the machining, we will not be worrying about whether those relationships have changed on us or not.
Posts: 1021 | Location: Prineville, OR 97754 | Registered: 14 July 2002
I am going to echo Matt's recommendation for the Picatinny rail mount. I have one on my Steyr Scout rifle, and it has let me easily try the rifle with different scopes mounted in different locations.
One comment on the mounts especially if they are alloy. You will want to use rings with cross bolts that match the slots in the rail in cross-section to prevent peening from recoil. Some rings have bolts with circular cross-section, and they are known to peen even with rifles of low to moderate recoil.
jim dodd
Posts: 4166 | Location: San Diego, CA USA | Registered: 14 November 2001
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It would be very nice if they already had left the drawing board.![[Smile]](images/icons/smile.gif){kind=icon}
