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31 December 2023, 20:34
Duane Wiebe (CG&R)
.499 Jeffery
The 500 Jeff, 500 A Square, 505 Gibbs, etc. are illegal effective 1-1-23 in Illinois.

Rename to bore size? Special barrels for Illnois residents?


Sure to cut down drive-bys though!
31 December 2023, 21:09
rikkochet
Call them .494 Gibbs, .510 Jeffrey, and .510 A Square.
It will confuse the already confused lawmakers for a while.
31 December 2023, 21:45
dpcd
No one I know is registering anything and all the sheriffs have said they will not enforce it.
Just across the river.
Yes, just name it something under 50 caliber; the Ill legislators are too dumb to figure it out.
No laws apply to the gang bangers in Chicago, where handguns are already banned. They all use handguns; never rifles.
31 December 2023, 23:30
Duane Wiebe (CG&R)
Most law enforcement KNOW where and what the real problem is. But do you suppose the lawmakers even think of consulting law enforcement?
01 January 2024, 00:16
dpcd
Definitely not; they can't and won't enforce gun laws on the actual people causing the problems.
For reasons I can't say here.
01 January 2024, 16:09
gasgunner
Cops have a family to feed, and an ego to feed, when they are told do this or find another job, what do you think they are going to do. As an Illinois resident, competitive service rifle shooter, coach of the Illinois Junoir Highpower team, and owner of a business that is firmly entrenched in the AR-15 world, this law has had an will continue to have a HUGE impact on my day to day life.

Nobody in Springfield can clearly tell me what my business can and can't do. Just have to ask and see how some pin head bean counter decides to interpret the law that day and that becomes the rule of the land. Sell an AR-15 barrel, sure no problem, a complete upper assembly with flash hider, go ahead, sell a plastic pistol grip, nope can't do it. It makes no sense. And I have zero faith in the Supreme Court to do anything about it. And once that happens, you will see the same thing passed in every blue state. And you think it doesn't apply to you hunters, just wait till some nut job uses a long range hunting rifle to take a few shots at a school playground from 700 yards, you will see scope magnification limits, velocity limits, suppressors banned, heck even Ballistic coefficient limits. I mean, the founding fathers did not make the second amendment so you could slaughter deer at 1000 yards. You think they wouldn't do it then it is time to get out from under your rock. And you shotgun shooters, put a black plastic stock and pistol grip on your 1100 and you will need to register it in Illinois.

Most competitive shooters I know have registered at least the rifles that they are going to compete with in case of someone checking at the range or if they get in some kind of car accident on the way to the range and the rifle is found in the vehicle.

John
01 January 2024, 16:18
p dog shooter
A very nasty law for sure.
01 January 2024, 18:04
jeffeosso
This is one of the reasons i invented the 49 caliber - bore .490, grove .498, MRc has the tooling, though I guess I should check in with them after the latest company changes


as for the law, which should be struck down, ESPECIALLY on the gungrabber logic that "it only was meant to cover muskets" as a .510 would have been considered smallish in an 18th century military setting.

As far as I know, which isn't all that far, there's never been a modern big rifle used to commit a crime, other than the obvious theft of a valuable firearm itself


opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club

Information on Ammoguide about
the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR
What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR.
476AR,
http://www.weaponsmith.com
01 January 2024, 20:16
gasgunner
quote:
Originally posted by jeffeosso:
This is one of the reasons i invented the 49 caliber - bore .490, grove .498, MRc has the tooling, though I guess I should check in with them after the latest company changes


as for the law, which should be struck down, ESPECIALLY on the gungrabber logic that "it only was meant to cover muskets" as a .510 would have been considered smallish in an 18th century military setting.

As far as I know, which isn't all that far, there's never been a modern big rifle used to commit a crime, other than the obvious theft of a valuable firearm itself


Never been death by pistol grip, or likely death by a revolving cylinder shotgun in the last 100 years, but both are banned in Illinois.

Logic or reason can not be used with these people. They want to completely erase Americas history and culture of firearms and hunting.

That's all I am going to say here or we will get moved to the political forum.

Hope you all have a great 2024 and we can continue to do what we do for another year.

John
01 January 2024, 23:54
Duane Wiebe (CG&R)
Politics and gun ownership seem to go hand in hand these days, so I don't feel any motivation to confine the subject.

"They can take my gbun when they pry my dead hands from it" We all know this is chest thumping bullshit !

Just how many Aussies gave up their life to preserve gun ownership?

NRA? What a joke!The opposition is highly organized...and that's the weakness of 2nd amendmenter's.
02 January 2024, 00:59
J Wisner
I have had a sign on the door of my shop for decades, it reads.


If Electricity comes from Electrons
Does Morality come from Morons ?


J Wisner
02 January 2024, 04:19
Hipshoot
They should pass a law that makes it against the law to pass another law of any kind!!!

Hip
02 January 2024, 21:12
Duane Wiebe (CG&R)
Could have, should have, would have hasn't worked so far!
03 January 2024, 01:25
Jim Kobe
quote:
Originally posted by Hipshoot:
They should pass a law that makes it against the law to pass another law of any kind!!!

Hip


I recall, when I was an active civil service employee, they passed a law or, more appropriately, a program called the "Paper reduction act" which was supposed to cut down on the excess paperwork, boy did that work!


Jim Kobe
10841 Oxborough Ave So
Bloomington MN 55437
952.884.6031
Professional member American Custom Gunmakers Guild

03 January 2024, 01:53
KevinNY
quote:
Originally posted by gasgunner:
Cops have a family to feed, and an ego to feed, when they are told do this or find another job, what do you think they are going to do. As an Illinois resident, competitive service rifle shooter, coach of the Illinois Junoir Highpower team, and owner of a business that is firmly entrenched in the AR-15 world, this law has had an will continue to have a HUGE impact on my day to day life.

Nobody in Springfield can clearly tell me what my business can and can't do. Just have to ask and see how some pin head bean counter decides to interpret the law that day and that becomes the rule of the land. Sell an AR-15 barrel, sure no problem, a complete upper assembly with flash hider, go ahead, sell a plastic pistol grip, nope can't do it. It makes no sense. And I have zero faith in the Supreme Court to do anything about it. And once that happens, you will see the same thing passed in every blue state. And you think it doesn't apply to you hunters, just wait till some nut job uses a long range hunting rifle to take a few shots at a school playground from 700 yards, you will see scope magnification limits, velocity limits, suppressors banned, heck even Ballistic coefficient limits. I mean, the founding fathers did not make the second amendment so you could slaughter deer at 1000 yards. You think they wouldn't do it then it is time to get out from under your rock. And you shotgun shooters, put a black plastic stock and pistol grip on your 1100 and you will need to register it in Illinois.

Most competitive shooters I know have registered at least the rifles that they are going to compete with in case of someone checking at the range or if they get in some kind of car accident on the way to the range and the rifle is found in the vehicle.

John


Hi John, had no idea you were on AR. I shot with NYSRPA back 20 years or so ago and used your stuff, still have one upper I bought used when I moved to NC and won a match with the scope now that my eyes are going.
03 January 2024, 16:35
gasgunner
John[/QUOTE]

Hi John, had no idea you were on AR. I shot with NYSRPA back 20 years or so ago and used your stuff, still have one upper I bought used when I moved to NC and won a match with the scope now that my eyes are going.[/QUOTE]

Custom rifles are my escape from the steady stream of black rifles across my bench. New York had a great run through the 90's up into the early 2000's. Dwight, Stan, Red, just a bunch of great shooters. Sure don't blame you for getting out of NY though.

Have a great new year.
John