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My normal google skills are failing me.

Does anybody make an AR-10 bolt action upper that you can buy without a barrel?


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What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
 
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Noveske sells their n6 upper “stripped” and Aero Precision sells their version of a stripped AR-10 upper.
 
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Thanks


Mike

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What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
 
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No. He wants a bolt action based on an AR envelope. Not a semi auto.
 
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side charge is my choice but looks like Fulton no longer sells them
 
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Those are still semi autos; not bolt actions. I like them, but they are actually a bad design, opening the entire left side of the receiver to let dirt in.
I built two muzzle loaders out of them a couple years ago. 9mm bolts; don't need no locking lugs.
 
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I saw AR-10 and glossed it over the bolt action part… I don’t have a lot of experience with the bolt action uppers but I think Jard and Uintah Precision offer what you’re looking for.
 
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just to start an argument, no gas tube = bolt action
 
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For what it worth, omitting the gas system and putting a handle on the carrier to make a manually operated AR type rifle generally does not work out very well. With no primary extraction cam, the only extractive effort you have is however hard you can pull back on the handle. And the handles screwed onto the handle are not robust enough for this use. I've done a pile of the bolt handles as they are required for our adjustable buttstock, but these rifle still utilize the gas system so the only thing the handle is for is pulling the bolt back with an empty chamber.

We do have some customer in the UK that can not have semi-autos so we build them with no gas system, but they have more robust handles and keep there loads down a bit for easier extraction.

For what it worth, I gave up on the AR-10 or LR-308 platform years ago. I like happy customers, and people who own the large frame AR's are not happy people. sofa

John
 
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just to start an argument, no gas tube = bolt action


Straight pull, bolt action. Big Grin


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Ok, the OP wants a manually operated TURN BOLT action. Not a straight pull, cam operated one.
None of the makers of these offer just an upper. They all want to sell you a barrel too. At exorbitant prices.
Here is an example: You grab the handle and turn it. Easy concept to grasp. Get it, grasp!
 
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What is the issue with AR-10s? Not happy people? I have the first new ArmaLite AR-10 built and have owned several of them. NO issues noted. What was your problems with them? Last one I built was in 6.5 Creedmoor before anyone offered that caliber. Guy is still shooting it.
You must be talking about the clones of ArmaLite. Which cannot legally be called AR-10s.
 
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What is the issue with AR-10s? Not happy people? I have the first new ArmaLite AR-10 built and have owned several of them. NO issues noted. What was your problems with them? Last one I built was in 6.5 Creedmoor before anyone offered that caliber. Guy is still shooting it.
You must be talking about the clones of ArmaLite. Which cannot legally be called AR-10s.


The clones are a large part of the problem. Customer orders an AR-10 barrel. You send him a perfectly good barrel, which he puts on a brand X receiver, with a brand A bolt, and a brand Z carrier, and a brand C gas tube. All made to different specs, then its your fault his collection of parts does not work right. I either eat the price of the barrel, or tell him it is his fault, either way, I end up with an unhappy customer.

In addition, they are very heavy, hard to get to balance well, and just big. After Tubb won the nationals with an SR-25 there was a bit of a run of people wanting to use them for across the course shooting. Tubb was able to do it because he is a generational talent when it comes to shooting, and he is a big man which helps him overcome the weight and balance issue. Most everyone else who tried it ended up unhappy. They could be made to shoot well, but were very hard to shoot well. And we have not even gotten into the problems of building a good rapid fire position that will take recoil in both directions and not break down. The AMU built a couple. They shot well, but they made the mistake of having Grant Singley shoot one of them. Grant is one of the top service rifle shooters to ever sling up a rifle, but he is all of about 5'4" tall and probably about 145 pounds. It did not end well.

They may have their place, it is just not in the realm of what we do here.

John
 
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I get the "want", essentially you wind up with a swap barrel/takedown/multi caliber rifle.

there's a thread on ultralite AR's on a few forums.
 
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https://www.facebook.com/profi...hp?id=61558420924649

Maybe this will suffice if you can't find anything else.


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very intriguing


Mike

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Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.




What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
 
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I do not, nor will I ever have, a book of faces or whatever that is. Social media? No thanks.
Post pictures here.
As for "building' an AR-10: You either build an AR-10, or use all parts from another maker; they are NOT interchangeable and the copies made them so, likely to avoid legal action from ArmaLite. They issued many Cease and Desist orders to others trying to use the AR-10 name, or AR-ANYTHING; which is a registered trademark.
AR is for ArmaLite Rifle; NOT something else like the liberals think.
 
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Mike

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Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.




What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
 
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that is somewhat odd looking, and strangely neat at the same time. I am curious as to what piece of metal was used to make that particular "bolt action". I have to believe that particular piece was welded on the BCG. Also, the gas tube either has to be removed or turned upside to convert to a bolt action. why anyone would want to do this is beyond my imagination.
 
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that is somewhat odd looking, and strangely neat at the same time. I am curious as to what piece of metal was used to make that particular "bolt action". I have to believe that particular piece was welded on the BCG. Also, the gas tube either has to be removed or turned upside to convert to a bolt action. why anyone would want to do this is beyond my imagination.


It's not welded, it's screwed with two button-head cap-screws. They are visible in the photo. If it were welded on, you wouldn't be able to dismantle the rifle for cleaning.

Why? These types of modifications came about because in some places it is illegal for people to own semi-auto rifles.
 
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I agree with Gasgunner.

A good AR-10 is a bit more difficult than a AR-15

At a industry day in the around 1990 I shot my first SR-25.

I shot some respectable groups with it.

There are bolt guns that take 308 size detachable magazines.

I find them to be lighter just as accurate and a lot cheaper

If one needs more rounds then 5.

I fine for general use a AR-10 size rifle isn't for me.
 
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This not about an "AR-10" size rifle, this is about the exploratory stages of an infinitely configurable rifle in multiple short action hunting calibers more powerful than those that fit in an AR-15.

Which leads to the answer for "Why would anyone want to do this?"


Mike

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Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.




What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
 
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Well, the savage BA platform kind of does the same thing (easily changed with tools barrel swaps).

Higher end, see Saeed’s discussion of the SAKO TRG M10.

I just don’t see the camming bolt in a AR (ok Stoner designed) pattern rifle as being particularly good at extraction with manual operation, and going into battery would be occasionally problematic- if you ride the charging handle they often don’t completely go into battery.

It’s your time and money, have at it, but I doubt there is a big market waiting for it.
 
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CRB,

I don't understand your analysis:

1) Hundreds of butt stocks, grips, forends, m-lok and rail modularity on an AR-10 as opposed toa savage

2) Manual operation for extraction being a problem? I think my right hand and arm is more reliable than a gas operated system for generating the force to operate the bolt.

3) Riding the operating handle prohibiting the bolt going into battery can be a problem on an AR platform because the operator is retarding the force being used to put the bolt into battery. On every bolt action rifle in the world, the operator is the force which puts the bolt into battery.

4) Does anybody do anything semi-custom or custom because they think there is a big market for it? If there was a big market for, the person wouldn't need to be doing a semi-custom/custom.


Mike

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Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.




What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
 
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It's just for something unique and different; not making a prototype for the mass market, which does not understand much about how rifles work anyway.
It will be fun.
 
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