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I am coming to the end of the engraving project on the Ottmar/Worthing rifle. I will post photos tomorrow. Once the engraving is done I assume the only thing left will be the metal finishing. I believe Chic is going to rust blue the metal. Roger Kehr Kehr Engraving Company (360)456-0831 | ||
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Roger, Doug Turnbull has offered to do some color case work as well. Mustafa Bilal said he would photograph it for us. BTW, you talked me into my name next to his on the barrel, but it is still the Ottmar Rifle.  | |||
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Here are some photos of the engraving.         Roger Kehr Kehr Engraving Company (360)456-0831 | |||
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Very nice! Thanks for the pics. -------------------------------------------- Well, other than that Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play? | |||
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Roger & Chic, You guys do good work. But then I knew that.  jim if you're too busy to hunt,you're too busy. | |||
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 Great work boys! Very classy. Nice pics Roger. I really like the one with you reflecting in the bolt knob. Is that a palm tree? I thought you lived in Washington State. Again excellent work. Keep the pics coming! gunmaker | |||
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Excellent work from the both of you as usual.  Im looking forward to seeing the completed pics. | |||
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Yes, nice work. Don't you just love building rifles. Timan | |||
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Nice, I usually dont like engraving , But Roger engraveing I like. Its not deep and overbearing. Nice touch. Has that triggerguard been contoured in the rear. | |||
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Maurice recontoured the trigger guard. The bottom metal on the gun was a topic of discussion among those contributing labor. Ted Blackburn gave us a trigger for the rifle and offered new bottom metal. Jim Dubell had fit a release lever on the bottom metal. It was original military bottom metal that Maurice had salvaged, reshaped and brought back to life. We felt that since it was his last work, we needed to keep as much of it as we found it. BTW, Saeed has offered the site for a raffle on this gun. So you should be seeing that in the near future. | |||
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Customstox Very interesting story about the bottom metal. Thanks for sharing that as it really seems interesting that Mr. Ottmar decided to go with a regular 98 bottom metal rather than using a 1909 bottom metal that came with the action. Anyway, he and whoever else worked it did a fabulous job IHO, as did you fitting it into that beautiful stock. Who is going to checker the bolt knob, or will that be left blank. Scrollcutter - Gorgeous engraving and really nice photography as well. | |||
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Absolutely beautiful rifle. Whoever wins it will be one extremely lucky man! It is going to be fun buying the tickers, win or not. Good hunting! Mehul Kamdar "I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."-- Patrick Henry | |||
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Beautiful...thanks for the pics /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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Chic , I noticed that nice shaped triggerguard because I have one that is contoured very thin like that I tryed to copy it and I ruined another military triggerguards trying to tapper and thin it like that. OOPPs ground to much off! There must be a trick to it. | |||
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22wrf, it is not an Argentine. It is a 1909 Peruvian. The bottom metal started out looking like the following photo.  Well Roger is not very fond of checkering a bolt knob after it is on the bolt so I suspect it will stay the way it is. | |||
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Maurice and I were at Trinidad at the same time in the early 1970's. In 1990 I got one of the fliers from Brownells and learned that he was going to teach a stockmaking class at Lassen, in northern California. I hadn't seen he since Trinidad so I decided to spend a week in California and hang out with Maurice. He was good at Trinidad, but he had learned a lot more since the early 70's. I couple that come to mind, and GPS7 triggered the thought, was the way he shaped the rear of the trigger guard bow. He had a fixture that held the trigger guard in his milling machine. He places a 1 1/4-inch ball end mill in the spindle and tilted the machines head to 9 degrees. This gave him the rounded shape at an angle, and he could cut it as deep as he wanted. Someone ask him during the class was how he cuts the shape of his fleur-de-lis in his checkering patterns. They were always perfect. He goes to his tool box and opens a drawer and pulls out a stamp that has the 1/2 fleur shape. He palces it on a stock and hits it with a hammer. He pulls out another stamp, the mirror image of the first, places it on the stock and again hits it with a hammer. There was a perfect fleur-de-lis on the stocks wrist... He said that Gary Goudy had the stamps made and he pasted a few around. I think Chic has the stamps now... Just a thought.... | |||
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Scrollcutter Very nice rifle! 6mm rem is a perfect caliber for small deer's etc. Cheers /JOHAN | ||
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Very nice work. I really like the scroll work, Roger. What treatment is on the floorplate? GV | |||
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I've see a few of the Ottmar guns, you guys did a worthy job. Will have to jump into that raffle with both feet.  If yuro'e corseseyd and dsyelixc can you siltl raed oaky? | |||
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Guys, That is a spectacular tribute to one of the finest riflemakers who ever practiced the craft. Congratulations and you can be sure I will buy my share of raffle tickets! Mike Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer. | |||
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Now that is a beautiful rilfe...everything in its place, done correctly (which means to me, not overdone!!!), very tasteful engraving, beautiful wood/work (good job, Chic)...great tribute to a fine craftsman...can't wait to buy my more-than-fair-share of tickets...(but I would be scared to death to hunt with it...)Arthur | |||
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One of the ineresting things with this rifle is the surface grinding that Maurice did on the frong ring. The action as issued was a large ring 98. He surface ground the front ring down so that it was a small ring but shaped the top so that it formed a domed "square" bridge. I will try to take some photos so you can see this. The caliber is 6 mm Remington so it is very safe with the metal that remains. Mark Stratton attached his custom bases to the curved top. This whole thing started out when I was visiting him and he asked me to sell the rifle at the state it was in. The blank itself was worth more than he wanted to sell it for. The metalwork was mostly done and he had installed the barrel, surface ground the action, inletted the bottom metal and had the barreled action 90% in. I offered to finish the job for him so he could get more money out of the sale. He had recently had a stroke and his recovery had turned for the worse and he knew he could no longer work in his shop. He accepted my offer and then his friends told me they wanted to help. The offers came from his gunsmith friends and soon the tasks were divided up. I finished the inletting, finished the stock and installed a leather covered recoil pad. A 6 mm hardly needs a pad nor does it "need" engraving. This gun was not being crafted as a utility rifle to hang in your back window of your pickup. It was being built by friends of a wonderful person and we wanted to do our best to finish his last piece of work. Gary Goudy did the excellent checkering work. As I stated, Mark built the bases. Gary Turner of Talley manufacturing donated the rings, Mike Slack of Leupold donated a new scope, Jim Wisner donated a 3 position safety, Ted Blackburn donated a trigger which was installed by Jim Dubell along with his work on the floorplate lever and Roger engraved the metal. Doug Turnbull has offered to do some color case work and it will be photographed by Mustafa Bilal. I am going to purchasing a leather covered case for the rifle. The custom gunmakers guild has a process to document a rifle and it's makers with a certificate. That will be done on this rifle and included with the final package. | |||
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Beautiful Roger & Chic. I just bought an 09 Peruvian but it'll never look that good. NRA Life Member, Band of Bubbas Charter Member, PGCA, DRSS. Shoot & hunt with vintage classics. | |||
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I think I'll start going to Mass on Sundays just to swipe money from the collection basket for raffle tickets. Warmer than picking up beverage cans and returnable bottles this time of year. That is absolutely gorgeous. LD  | |||
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Gentlemen, Excellent Work. Roger I really like your style. To me the engraving on this gun is excellent. The amount of engraving, layout and execution compliments the rifle and what it stands for. It adds to its appeal without distracting from its overall beauty. What about the floorplate? James | |||
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Roger is still working on the floorplate. | |||
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My God Chic & Roger...the screws is in Pic 3 & 4 are not perfectly vertically...I am appalled...LOL  Given the above I'll take it off your hands for a $1000. Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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Very nice indeed and simply a great way to pay tribute to friend. | |||
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Does anyone have a photo of Maurice tbat they can post?  Doug Humbarger NRA Life member Tonkin Gulf Yacht Club 72'73. Yankee Station Try to look unimportant. Your enemy might be low on ammo. | |||
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Doug, bear in mind that this photo was taken when he was about 40. Most of his life was spent in blue bib overalls and that is the only thing that I ever saw him wear in his shop. I suspect that this was "dress up" shot. I would like to tell you a story about Maurice. Most people pronounded his named like more-eeeese. But I had heard some people call him Morris. So one day I asked him which it was and he said to pronounce it anyway I wanted to. I told him I would like to pronounce it the way he preferred and he said it was Morris. So I continued to pronounce it that way. I had been corrected by several people and never bothered to argue with them. I was sitting at a table with Maurice at our annual ACGG banquet and they were about to announce the "best of show" award for the best gun. Maurice and Ron Smith an engraver had entered a Hagn single shot rifle. It was far and above anything else in the competition and it won the first ever award. Before the presentation, Jack Belk was the master of ceremonies, and he had asked Maurice how his name was pronounced. No one that I had ever talked to, save me, had ever gotten a definitive answer from him on the pronunciation. The correct prounciation was somewhat of a mystery as you could not get straight answer out of him. When Jack asked which way it was pronounced, Maurice said the same he had said to me, "whichever makes no difference." Jack was not satisfied and you have to remember that this is in front of the audience at the annual banquet with several hundred in attendance. You also have to know that Maurice was a very shy man and although it was easy for him to meet people one on one, he was petrified that they would win the award and he would have to give a speech. Jack asked him to think of this scenario. He is at home on the farm outside of Coulee City Washing as a child his mom comes to the door to tell him to come in to eat. Now how would your mom call you in the house. Maurice said, "she would say, son, it is time to eat." Jack gave up BTW when he did get to the podium to accept the award they asked him if he had anything to say, he took the microphone and said, "thanks".  | |||
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Great story, Chic. Roger Kehr Kehr Engraving Company (360)456-0831 | |||
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Chic....great looking rifle! What type of wood was used for this project? Any stain on it? What was used for a finish? Did you do the checkering? How many LPI? | |||
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Thanks for that story chic. Doug Humbarger NRA Life member Tonkin Gulf Yacht Club 72'73. Yankee Station Try to look unimportant. Your enemy might be low on ammo. | |||
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Awesome work guys, congratulations! Rusty We Band of Brothers! DRSS, NRA & SCI Life Member "I am rejoiced at my fate. Do not be uneasy about me, for I am with my friends." ----- David Crockett in his last letter (to his children), January 9th, 1836 "I will never forsake Texas and her cause. I am her son." ----- Jose Antonio Navarro, from Mexican Prison in 1841 "for I have sworn upon the altar of god eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." Thomas Jefferson Declaration of Arbroath April 6, 1320-“. . .It is not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom - for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself.” | |||
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I was wondering what you guys were up to with this? When do I get a chance to buy a ticket? - stu | |||
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Cough, cough...sputter, sputter. I'm at fault here. I got busy with other projects and forgot I hadn't completed the floorplate. I am up to my ass in alligators, but intend to get the work done ASAP. Sorry about the holdup, fellas. Roger Kehr Kehr Engraving Company (360)456-0831 | |||
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Breathtaking work...thanks for sharing! On the plains of hesitation lie the bleached bones of ten thousand, who on the dawn of victory lay down their weary heads resting, and there resting, died. If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue, Or walk with Kings - nor lose the common touch... Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it, And - which is more - you'll be a Man, my son! - Rudyard Kipling Life grows grim without senseless indulgence. | |||
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