I have a Rem 700 ADL synthetic in .270win. I have been able to get very consistent 5 shot groups that are anywhere from .5 to .75 inches at 100 yds. I am experimenting with different handloads to try and get it to be consistently .5 or under.

I have been considering some mods to my rifle, but am leery of trying anything considering how well it already shoots out of the box. Here's what I was looking at.

Floating the barrel
Glass bedding the action
New recoil lug
Non-ISS bolt shroud
Jard, Shilen, or Timney Trigger
Heavier firing pin and spring

Would any of this be worth it, or would I just be wasting my time and money? Anybody have any other suggestions?

Thanks

Leave well enough alone & keep the money you saved for something else.

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Originally posted by Steel Slinger:


Floating the barrel
Glass bedding the action
New recoil lug
Non-ISS bolt shroud
Jard, Shilen, or Timney Trigger
Heavier firing pin and spring

Would any of this be worth it, or would I just be wasting my time and money? Anybody have any other suggestions?
Thanks

There are many thousands probably millions of rifles out there that have what you listed done to them and they don't shoot as well as you say yours does. You won the lottery in out of the box hunting rifle accuracy, I wouldn't change a thing, if it aint broke why fix it.

I would take the most consistent loads and play with the seating depths (OAL) and minor powder variations to fine tune them. I would leave the mechanics of the rifle alone.

Steel Slinger, I basically agree with Fjold, but I would add that if you think some of the various components aren't good (specifically the trigger) I might change it, them. I am curious how many rounds you have through this rifle, I have had many that after a few hundred rounds ended up shooting even better than what I already considered good performance. If you don't have a lot of rounds through and it is shooting that well--well that is great, and you could reasonably expect some minor improvement just by shooting it a bit more and thereby smoothing the barrel just a shade more.
Good shooting--and good luck--D.

I would agree with Doug. Why mess with it, or spend any money on it, it is far better than you need for hunting.

I have the same Tupperware Special. I gave it a trigger job and that's it. It is still the best shooter I have after 9 years of owning it. I am spending the money I saved? trying to find a gun that comes close to equaling it's accuracy

your gun isn't broke. Don't fix it.

ZM

I'd leave it as-is. Out-of-the-box accuracy as you are experiencing is getting rarer and rarer these days from the likes of Remington, Winchester and Ruger, so count your lucky stars.

The accuracy you are seeing sounds very good. The only thing I would consider doing would be having the factory trigger adjusted. Unless the trigger is very heavy I would hold off on doing that until I had put a few more rounds through it. Wait until I had setteled on a particular load, for instance.

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Originally posted by Steel Slinger:
I have a Rem 700 ADL synthetic in .270win. I have been able to get very consistent 5 shot groups that are anywhere from .5 to .75 inches at 100 yds. I am experimenting with different handloads to try and get it to be consistently .5 or under.

I have been considering some mods to my rifle, but am leery of trying anything considering how well it already shoots out of the box. Here's what I was looking at.

Floating the barrel
Glass bedding the action
New recoil lug
Non-ISS bolt shroud
Jard, Shilen, or Timney Trigger
Heavier firing pin and spring

Would any of this be worth it, or would I just be wasting my time and money? Anybody have any other suggestions?

Thanks

It AIN'T BROKE!! For Heaven's sake, don't FIX it!!!

if you're getting that kind of groups out a factory rifle just thank your lucky stars.

I also agree that I would not have that work done to your rifle. Now, if you build a rifle up from an action and a premium barrel, then those things begin to make sense.

Thanks everybody. I think I'll just leave it as is for now, and work on my loads for it. Eventually I may have a trigger job done on it, but that's it. And yeah, I do feel lucky to have gotten such an accurate rifle. I have been amazed at how well it shoots.

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Originally posted by Steel Slinger:
Thanks everybody. I think I'll just leave it as is for now, and work on my loads for it. Eventually I may have a trigger job done on it, but that's it. And yeah, I do feel lucky to have gotten such an accurate rifle. I have been amazed at how well it shoots.

Brother, as others have said, I would leave that sucker alone. If I did anything at all to it I would replace that stupid, idiotic ISS lock, but keep it handy to put back on just in case the different firing pin effected the great accuracy you’re getting.

Well, someone has to differ!



Now the way I see it, you can change the trigger to a Jewel, and you can change the firing pin shroud to a non- keyed item, and you shoould go lighter not heavier on the pin (David Tubbs Speedlock system is the way to go.) After 2500 rounds in my VSSF .308 I just had to try it, result best ever single group... means nothing I know...



I would be slow to change the bedding as that's not a switch back if you don't like it, but I would have to tinker.

I would be interested to see when/if you pull it apart one day to clean it,if it maintains its present form.Just to see how much the bedding is havng an effect.If nothing changes after that then leave it alone.
However in the meantime,I see no harm in upgrading the trigger to a Jewell. I cannot see a smoother,lighter,crisper trigger being unbeneficial to improvement of accuracy.

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Originally posted by Steel Slinger:
I have a Rem 700 ADL synthetic in .270win. I have been able to get very consistent 5 shot groups that are anywhere from .5 to .75 inches at 100 yds. I am experimenting with different handloads to try and get it to be consistently .5 or under.

I have been considering some mods to my rifle, but am leery of trying anything considering how well it already shoots out of the box.

Here's what I was looking at. Would any of this be worth it, or would I just be wasting my time and money?

I agree with all the folks that basically said, since it shoots so well now, it will be extremely difficult to make improvements that reduce the groups to a significant degree.

Here are my thoughts on each specific you listed:

Floating the barrel - Might or might not help. You can raise the entire action in the stock by using cut up Credit Cards(or something similar) to temporarily do this. Just put the same number of pieces at the front and rear of the receiver.

Glass bedding the action- Might or might not help, but it generally won't make things worse. If done improperly, it could goof it up.

New recoil lug - Waste of money on a 270Win hunting rifle. It would change the entire barrel dynamics, which is not good.

Non-ISS bolt shroud - Subjective visual issue for the most part. Most seem to work just fine when left alone.

Jard, Shilen, or Timney Trigger - Here your very best option is to stay with the original Remington Factory trigger. It is as rugged as an anvil and has the fastest Lock-Time of any production trigger made. The current springs are a bit stiff, but it is easy enough to adjust for a crisp clean release and that is more important. However, if the Springs are obstinate, just have a good GunSmith "Tune" the factory trigger for you. $25-$35 typically does it. Tell him you would like to Dry Fire one he has already adjusted and you can see if it is an improvement over your own adjustment.

Heavier firing pin and spring - (Actually a lighter firing pin and heavier spring.) Might help in a BenchRest rifle, but the factory did a fine job here too. Just heard from a buddy in Califoney who took a light pin "out" of a rifle he was working on for one of his friends because he was getting Hang-Fires. Sounded like the buddy changed the pin and not the spring. Back to the original pin and that problem was resolved.

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Anybody have any other suggestions?

Yes indeed.

Use "Fully Prepared" and "Weight Sorted" cases.

Benchmark the rifle with either Sierra MatchKings or regular Nosler B-Tips. They let you know what the rifle is actually capable of shooting. And then develop your Hunting Load knowing what the rifle can do.

Since it is a hunting rifle, the very best thing you can do to reduce the groups is go from 5-shot groups to 3-shot groups, and I actually prefer "Combined 1-shot groups".

Of course, if you really need 5 shots to kill something a 270Win is designed for, then the best thing you could do is spend a whole lot more time at the Range.

Best of luck to you.